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I've no idea what the word above FS FLORESTA is in the sample. Is it SYLUAN?
(I never would have thought of a use for the fin+1/4 circle shape that's used in places like Q's tail, but you've done it, and done it brilliantly :) )
@djnippa: Excellent critique of the V. I’ve revised both variants for legibility and updated the sample. This is definitely a display face, however improvements to legibility (and expansion of the character set) could be explored further. I appreciate your keen constructive criticism and welcome any suggestions for improvement.
@Umbreon126: Thanks for the link! The q solution you describe occurred to me outside of the fontstructor while I was playing with samples. I was taken aback by it for a moment, and then it seemed almost obvious. So I decided to keep it. I like how the same configuration of bricks – mirrored across the baseline – is used to terminate characters like s and e. Thanks for digging into the details!
@p2pnut: Thanks, friend! These roses still have thorns ~ and perhaps would benefit from a skillful pruning! :~)
@elmoyenique: I appreciate this kind compliment, compañero!
Do you think the lowercase D is perhaps too similar to the lowercase O? I realise it's an alternative, but I think the capital D is far superior. This is how 'odour' reads.
I am English, where the word and language originates from. You're spelling is the American version, which I would consider wrong. So you can retract your unnecessary and poorly observed comment. Thanks.
Wherever the English spelling has a "U", I usually leave it out because that's the way I was taught to spell the words, e.g. color, honor, odor, etc. And the dreaded "er/re" debate, e.g. liter, center, meter, etc.
But I do use a few British spellings, e.g. the IUPAC considers the names of the metals to be "aluminium" and "caesium".
English is a language made up of words of many different linguistic origins. As such there are 19 vowel sounds and 25 consonant sounds, leading to 44 unique sounds...and only 26 letters to do them in. Consequently, a whole plethora of spellings are ridiculous. There are 13 different way to write the 'sh' sound alone. You would imagine if a sound is so important that it needs 13 different ways to write it, it would have its own letter. But no. On the other hand, the currently implemented letter 'c' either produces the 's' or the 'k' sound. Eliminating it would make no difference. Consider the word 'accessory' in which the first 'c' is used instead of 'k' and the second 'c' is an 's' replacement. Useless. If only the 'c' could be re-purposed as 'sh'. But of course no. The only words it wouldn't introduce confusion is 'ocean'. Imagine writing 'patient'—where the 'ti' produces the 'sh' sound— as 'pacent'. No one will know how to pronounce it. Spellings only make sense in what is accepted. This debate has been in process for a long time and no resolution is in sight. Let's let everyone write however they are comfortable and focus our energies on something more productive...or more resolvable anyway. Attempting a greater distinction between 'h' and 'k' in this font, ie. :-)
Did I just write all this? Sorry.
Number of English vowels:
Standard pronunciation (or Recieved Pronunciation, RP) has 20 vowels.
American English has about 15 vowels; Australian 20 or 21.
Number of possible vowels:
The IPA counts about 35 possible vowel sounds, some of which don't exist in English. Try saying the barred i (ɨ, close central unrounded vowel). Because the Russian letter Ы makes this sound, you will be using it a lot if you speak Russian.
Have a word with yourself will you. :)
It has nothing to do with will.i.ૐ's font.
This is not the first time differences in spelling, pronunciation, and – maybe even legibility – caused a row across national lines. What is a nation, though? What is a culture?
This is actually a deep interest of mine connected also with word etymologies and the untold stories of myriad diverse people’s who were ripped from their ancestral lands and taken into bondage during the cultural maelstrom that has been our civilization of conquest for the last several thousand years. Yet even as these people – our ancestors – were at a loss of how to continue with their cultures intact once enslaved and taken away from their (our) ancestral homelands, even as our forebears were deprogrammed of their indigenous tongues and traditions and killed outright where this was not possible – still within the amalgamated language we have today called “English” are these loose threads, frayed here and there and everywhere, teasing out a different story of how we came to become who were are still inspite of the best and worst efforts to sanitize, homogenize, and reduce culture to a mere edifice of commerce and the ever-quickening parade of murder of this world of such great diversity in the insane pursuit of turning all life into the dead, the possessed, the locked up, the stockpiled.
Somehow our language in all its imperfections and even imperfectability holds keys to unlock our true belonging to the world and to each other. Somehow art is the vehicle to rediscover, to track, and to follow these threads onto the hidden maps of collective consciousness and cultural origination. Somehow creating beautiful letters, pondering their morphology and all the people who ever scrawled these glyphs or otherwise constructed them – whether to create poetry or to tabulate the spoils of war – as both the letterforms and peoples evolved/devolved and otherwise transformed into who we have become today ... is a worthy endeavor, indeed.
Thanks everyone for your thoughts as I enjoyed reading and pondering them from this perspective. I will consider the valid input also related to my fontstruction and how it might be improved. Carry on!
Surely there are more important things to comment on in this international 'font design' forum?
Because of that, this argument won't be getting very intense. It's only about the spelling of odor/odour (insert my spell-checker drawing red like under odoUr here).
In the USA people learn to spell odor, in UK they spell odour. It is possible that other English speaking countries have their specific spelling of well-known words. There are numerous differences in spelling certain words which would still have the same pronounciation and meaning.
Of course, we all are human and might make spelling errors... in a text we can edit it out but if we make such a mistake in our font sample and upload it, then it stays in the discussion as it cannot be deleted by its author :(
Generally I read and think about the texts and appreciate reading praise, propositions, constructive criticism of fonts, and the general 'banter' and discussions. There is so much instructional and friendly content here over and above the pure 'font' context. I simply enjoy reading everybody's input (when it is not offensive which we have seen in the past) in our community.
@ Will & thalamic: wow, you have some impressive knowledge regarding linguistics.
An odor (or odour in British English) or fragrance (commonly referred to as a smell)...
Told you so. It's odor and not odour.
It’s odor and not odour.
Aisle start by saying sum people just need to get out and get some fresh err. Smell the flours even though its chili outside. I can't bare it anymore - I'm pulling my hare out over this.
Everyone is aloud their own opinion, but please berry the argument. The discussion has fully groan to its peek. There's no need to beet a dead hoarse.
I'm not trying to be a boar, but if i had a scent for every time eye get English wrong, I'd have it maid.
I've learned my lessen.
If ewe no me, ewe are a wear that I try to maintain the piece. It doesn't really madder whose write. Just release the hole issue and let your egos heel.
Hay, I'm not trying to be a pane, and I don't want anyone to dessert hour community. We don't knead that. It would be a waist.
Can't we be reel with won another without wining?
Please, rice up to the occasion.
That would be an amazing feet.
I no we can duet.
Owe, somebody keel me now.
The commotion above is just another example of what George Bernard Shaw referred to as 'Two nations divided by a common language'
@ivancr72: This work is still under development, so I’m keeping it under the “all rights reserved” license. I’ll let you know when I announce its availability for download. :~)
@thalamic: Thirteen different ways to write 'sh'? Wow...
@geneus: Haha! Halve ewe scene the poem 'Eye Halve a Spelling Chequer'? If ewe halve knot, ewe reely should.
Eye halve a spelling chequer
It came with my pea sea
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.
Eye strike a key and type a word
And weight four it two say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh.
As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite
Its rare lea ever wrong.
Eye have run this poem threw it
I am shore your pleased two no
Its letter perfect awl the weigh
My chequer tolled me sew.
*red underline over both instances of "chequer"
EXTENDED VERSION:
I have a spelling checker
I disk covered four my PC.
It plane lee marks four my revue
Miss steaks aye can knot see.
Eye ran this poem threw it.
Your sure real glad two no.
Its very polished in its weigh,
My checker tolled me sew.
A checker is a blessing.
It freeze yew lodes of thyme.
It helps me right awl stiles two reed,
And aides me when aye rime.
Each frays comes posed up on my screen
Eye trussed too bee a joule.
The checker pours o'er every word
To cheque sum spelling rule.
Bee fore wee rote with checkers
Hour spelling was inn deck line,
Butt now when wee dew have a laps,
Wee are not maid too wine.
And now bee cause my spelling
Is checked with such grate flare,
There are know faults in awl this peace,
Of nun eye am a wear.
To rite with care is quite a feet
Of witch won should be proud,
And wee mussed dew the best wee can,
Sew flaws are knot aloud.
That's why eye brake in two averse
Caws Eye dew want too please.
Sow glad eye yam that aye did bye
This soft wear four pea seas.
Maybe these are different variants.
Is this the font wear ewe can replace wards with wards that half the same pronunciation? Eye think it is! Russian Guy has a spelling chequer.
@will.i.ॐ I need help. https://fontstruct.com/fontstructions/show/2128826
Figured I'd choose the one with the most comments for a better chance of reply ›;)
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