by SymbioticDesign

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WebFont is SIL Open Font License freeware (version 1.0).  If you like it for a website, you can use it as a web font.  You can clone it, download it, whatever. Hopefully, if you use it as a web font, you will add a link to my site, Font Journal (http://www.Font-Journal.com), in the credits of your website or blog (professional sites & blogs give credit for the resources used that aren't theirs), if you use it or distribute it, but that is not required.

You can edit, modify, append or do whatever you need to do with this font, including using it commercially or in creating your own art/graphic works, even a new version of the font as long as all further redistributed derivatives remain under the same "SIL Open Font License".

This is a freeware font, it should never be sold, or even be included as a part of a paid collection, it is FREE.  

Supports a large latin character set, with extras like the Copyright, Trademark, Tel: symbols, and an assortment of little Dingbats.  I try to use Dingbats for the UI when I design websites, so I included a few without weighing the font down too much, it still loads quickly.  Loading a vector based font for UI stuff is a lot easier and quicker than loading graphic files.

Any questions, character requests?  Go ahead and ask! 

If you see anything that needs to be addressed, be sure to shout out at me, I'll see if I can fix stuff. - Doug Peters, Symbiotic Design

Info: Created on 4th December 2016 . Last edited on Today, 10:24 AM.
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I had been working on a different font that I would release as a CC0 web font, but that one had quite a few more characters on it.  Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work with this new improved editor.  So, I am going to try to tackle the project all over again.  But of course. I want to have a more complete font before I release it.  This is just to get ideas and feedback, for now.  Currently, just basic latin characters, but I want to include all the normal characters one might need in a webfont, like bullets and arrowheads, currency symbols, important foreign characters so that it offers at least some unified character table support, and a few extras like icons of a shopping cart, credit card symbols, and important UI symbols.  Of course, I also have to add the Copyright, Trademark, Registered Trademark, Service Mark and Tele symbols.  At the same time, I don't want to include too much, I want the character set to be full featured, but lean overall so that it will load fast on websites.

This, of course, just means there is lots more work to do, but thought I might give people that glimpse and get any feedback I can use.

Comment by SymbioticDesign 9th January 2017

Finally figured out how to add a description.  Cool.  ;)

Comment by SymbioticDesign 25th January 2017

This looks good, easy to read. I like the 'hint of goth': dark with the occasional beak and slanted ends of verticals.  The dingbats are a pleasant addition (can you add a happy smiley?  °◡° )

Comment by Aeolien 25th January 2017

@Aeolien... Sure.  I added a happy face in outline and solid, and an outline sad face.  I don't know where the 'meh' face is hiding.  Also added TM, SM, TEL, and a variety of arrow style bullets and such.

Comment by SymbioticDesign 25th January 2017

< nice :)

Comment by Aeolien 25th January 2017

Thanks, @Aeolien.

Comment by SymbioticDesign 26th January 2017

@meek... Please see the 'sample' screen grab attached.  I'm getting the same error message with multiple tries. 

Comment by SymbioticDesign 2nd February 2017

@SymbioticDesign It installs on my system. I'll have a closer look in the next few days.

Comment by Rob Meek (meek) 2nd February 2017

OK, thanks.  I did just try it again and I got the same message.

Comment by SymbioticDesign 2nd February 2017

Just tried to install it again.  Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit with Service Pack 1, powered by Intel Core i3 M350 @ 2.27GHz/2.27GHz and 4GB RAM (shared video memory).  Windows is activated.

All my other font archives seem to be installing just fine, it is only this one that I have had trouble with, so far.

Comment by SymbioticDesign 9th February 2017

Ah. I thought I’d fixed this one. I did identify a problem. I'll take another look when I get a chance.

Comment by Rob Meek (meek) 9th February 2017

Still doesn't install.

Which is primarily why I haven't been here lately, I have 2 fonts that refuse to install, and if I can't make fonts that I can use, it's pointless to try.

Comment by SymbioticDesign 23rd February 2017

Well, I finally got it to install on my laptop, so I'm publishing it, again.  Before it was under the Creative Commons license.  Now it's the SIL OFL, which for a web font, it probably should be.

Comment by SymbioticDesign Thu, 22nd March

I don't really remember how done this is, or not, so if you see anything that needs attention, let me know.  I wanted to make a web font a long time ago, but it wouldn't install on my laptop then (even though it apparently installed for everyone else).  But, as I could not see it, I unpublished it.  

Well, now I have a new laptop, it installs, and so I hope it will for everyone else, too.

Comment by SymbioticDesign Thu, 22nd March
Comment by SymbioticDesign Thu, 22nd March

Clean work, with a suble personal touch. ('$&' might be smaller to match '@'?)

• The font description (all your comment on top, as Html) is included in the TTFs (at least in this format); I did not check about the online version (Google Fonts under OFL license), but if an archived information does not exist, perhaps it can be linked somewhere (already or in the future).

• You main website is quite interesting to me as a repository. (I added it to my to-do list pertaining to e.g. low-res pixel and dot-based fonts.)

Comment by dpla Thu, 22nd March

I don't think that Google has it, yet.  I'd kind of be surprised if they added it to their fonts.  I don't think that an SIL OFL license makes it automatically included, so I am guessing the "Contribute to Google Fonts" button wouldn't be ghosted, and as I had never been able to use it, it probably would need to meet with some sort of approval, first.

Thanks for your comments.  I have been looking at it and was actually thinking about making the: at, solidus, backslash, vertical, percent, number, plus, minus and equals signs needed to be thicker.  And maybe the double quote sign is a little too corny?

Comment by SymbioticDesign Thu, 22nd March

> The font description (all your comment on top, as Html) is included in the TTFs (at least in this format);

I didn't realize that.  I always wanted it included as text in the distribution archive.  Probably too heavy for a TTF.  I'll have to learn more about this.

Comment by SymbioticDesign Thu, 22nd March

• I didn't realize you provided many dingbats, cool!(*)

• The type formats evolve; new features can be added. Having a web font stored only online (we all had issues with them because of the limited support), or duplicated locally in a transient way (e.g. browser-cached or OS temp files), cannot help the creators maintain their full control over their creation, indeed, provided they did not disclaim their right, license-wise. Besides, the local laws differ in this field of softwares (so, we never know -or too late-, any typeface could be distributed legally without our consent, after we shared it in a specific and wrongly restrictive way), just because all what we put online can be misused. Until one can check the font info(**) easily and securely, the collection of web fonts will be rather poor, in quantity and quality, IMHO. (Both criteria sound like proprietary-based or monetary-geared limitations to me; getting more audience from the related online services is the main benefit I can see, while one drawback would be the filter based on download counts: less variety eventually, which is already the case in too many similar multipurpose typefaces). The users decide in the end. For instance, with too many neutral styles, I foresee a will for more customization (thus more available info about the designers etc.)… Really again, I don't know much about this (deceptively) dematerialized format Google (and others) kindly offers; all I know is the unfeasibility (in the long term, for the sake of the continuous IT progress) to keep up deleting the legitimate reward any creator needs. In your case, the archive you want. A short comparison in another art: music files exist with and without information; if the cover image, the composer, the original title etc. are missing (or difficult to find), it has to do with some piracy, and this impacts the creation. Well, even a bound-to-be-free font like yours would be harmed from this absence or consent. [I'll resume this topic if you need…]

* The Basic Latin symbols: ah, now I see this set of lighter glyphs. Yes, it does not quite fit a unique font weight. (But this does not look serious to me, thanks to your correctly bolder punctuations.)

** In 2013 a FS member reminded me of BabelMap, to get the full font info (not very easily and not on any system)… As said, this feature should be available directly in the hosting software (e.g. via Parameters or Cache > Files > Media > Fonts > Info, even contextually via an extra option that would mimic the image clicling)… Perhaps you can edit your own font descrition that the FonstStructor added in Html, by using a (free) tool like FontForge (if you prefer a plaintext info, ASCII art, hidden Base64 image, 8K video^^…)?

Comment by dpla Thu, 22nd March

How do you find that info, @dpla?
I made the & smaller but made some of that skinny stuff thicker.  Hopefully, it works better together, now.  I'll remake the graphic preview image with the changes.  

Strange thing, though... when I typed spaces in the preview section of Fonstruct, I saw returns.  But not until I had started backspacing to correct what I had typed.

Comment by SymbioticDesign Thu, 22nd March

BabelMap > Menu > Fonts > Font Analysis Utility (F7) > Font Info > Font description.

IDK about this issue (temporary or not, browser-dependent or not), yet…

Comment by dpla Thu, 22nd March

• (Forgot this reply): well, your previous " looked fine alone with its angular style. Now that you have added ‘ ’ “ ” the same way, the expected shape for the latter four would fit better with the new and correct (even) style of your straight quotation mark… although this is rather nitpicking (ditto with the absent but more superfluous ‚ ‛ „ ‟ ′ ″ ‴).

Comment by dpla Thu, 22nd March

Thanks, dpla... 
I used BabelMap before, but have moved to a new laptop and forgot all about it.  But, I never knew about the Font Info > Font Description feature.

Yeah, the other issue would be for @meek.

Oh, I should mention that the background I am using in the preview sample graphics use a metalic background available for free at Graphic Flip, it just requires an attribution to use. ;)

Comment by SymbioticDesign Fri, 23rd March

Argh. The Lime green "WebFont" sitting on the side didn't update (the e is wrong).  BB

Comment by SymbioticDesign Fri, 23rd March

If I took the u and rotated it twice, would that make a better n

Hmmm... I'm going to try that.

Whoops.  I went into the editor, I changed the n, and then it told me that there was a newer version (by 47 seconds).  So whoa... my only options were to continue or read something.  I wanted to make sure I didn't corrupt the font, so I exited the web page altogether, thinking that I only needed to fix that one thing on the n, anyway.  

When reloading the Fonstructions page to enter the editor and edit the n though, it was already saved with the new style n.  

I better take a break.

Comment by SymbioticDesign Fri, 23rd March

Yeah, you're right.  Very definitely.  I don't know if the tabs should be sticking up on the m & n, but if I'm going to keep them like that I should probably add one to the r, eh?  I think it helps with the angular goth cuts on the lowercase letters. Then knock-out all those ` ' " ; punctuations.

But, I'm going to take a break, I have another logo project I'm working that needs more focus at the moment.

Thanks and take care!

Comment by SymbioticDesign Fri, 23rd March

Your latest changes improve this font a lot^^

Comment by dpla Fri, 23rd March

Still working on it.  I noticed the British pound sign was terrible.  I have lots to do.  I think I know why the "Contribute to Google Fonts" is ghosted, now.  I am guessing there is already a font with such a generic name.  So I will probably just keep working on it and try to get it right and create something good, but when I'ts ready I'll come up with a new name that isn't used and clone it, add a few characters and see what happens.

Comment by SymbioticDesign Fri, 23rd March

The reason why it is grayed out is because it is still missing some required glyphs...

Comment by Se7enty-Se7en Fri, 23rd March

Oh. Cool. I'll have to check out which ones they want.  But first, I'll worry about fixing it.

Comment by SymbioticDesign Sat, 24th March

Well, you can easily find them in the Google Fonts Basic Character Set...

Comment by Se7enty-Se7en Sat, 24th March

OK, cool.  I only have a couple characters of the Latin Supplement left.

Comment by SymbioticDesign Sat, 24th March

Dang it. The block substitution is happening again.

Comment by SymbioticDesign Tue, 27th March

I do not see the "Google Fonts Basic" character set anywhere in Fontstructor.  Perhaps because I started this font so long ago I don't get to see it?  It's just getting too dang hard to find the missing glyphs I need in order to fill that basic character set. 

Comment by SymbioticDesign Tue, 27th March

You'll find it when you change the licence to "Open Font Licence". That inserts the button "Contribute to Google Fonts" to the end of the line of buttons under the font preview.

Comment by Aeolien Tue, 27th March

When you have set the licence this inserts automatically the Google Fonts Basic set of glyphs at the bottom of the 'language choices' in the basic (not unicode) setting. When you chose this you'll automatically see only the glyphs that Google Fonts requires.

Comment by Aeolien Tue, 27th March

It's been "Open Font License".  What, they can't be unicode?  I need unicode.  Darn.

Comment by SymbioticDesign Tue, 27th March

OK, I guess I can always turn unicode on, later.  I guess its kind of ready to submit to Google Fonts.  But what do you think?  Should I make all the dots the same size (like in the diaeresis, make them the same size as the periods)?  Did I get carried away with the goth cuts?  Should I leave off the little caps on the smaller case r, p, m, n?  Whattaya think?  ;)  & Thanks for your input in advance!

Comment by SymbioticDesign Tue, 27th March

your t with a stroke has one stroke, not two

Comment by Se7enty-Se7en Tue, 27th March

I meant  that you don't turn on unicode but stay in the usual basic glyph band to see Google Fonts Basic in the language panel. Google Fonts Basic option seems unavailable in unicode mode. But as for all our fonts the glyphs made are available on the unicode glyph band.

Comment by Aeolien Tue, 27th March

Good catch, @Se7enty-Se7en. Yup, I missed the stroke on the small t.  Thanks!

Comment by SymbioticDesign Tue, 27th March

I discovered a few minor issues to fix, I want to address them, and then I'll try to submit it.  ;)  Thanks for the help, everyone!

Comment by SymbioticDesign Wed, 28th March

You're zelcome

Comment by Se7enty-Se7en Wed, 28th March

OK, gonna submit it to Google Fonts for consideration.  I hope it makes it in.

Comment by SymbioticDesign Thu, 29th March

You haven't finished Latin-B yet...

Comment by Se7enty-Se7en Thu, 29th March

That's no lie.  I got in a struggle with an old netbook, and I am losing (so far), although I did win a battle with my new Dell, which allows me the extra time (since I am no longer trying to keep my old laptop working and updated).  Plus, I am done with the logo work I did when I was doing this recently and need to find new work (or a new job).  It would be wonderful if my career was creating fonts (getting paid for making fonts and typefaces), but sadly it's not.  Spare time, even though I love doing this, is at a premium right now.  I do hope to keep updating it, of course, but I also have other font projects I want to tackle, too,  If it makes it into Google Fonts, I will be able to dedicate more time to this project, but we will have to see how that goes.  I know there are fonts awaiting Google Fonts catalog approval for a very long time.

Comment by SymbioticDesign Fri, 30th March

Hi guys...

I have been sidelined.  I have an extra extraordinary tooth ache.  I just want to die.  I'm popping pain pills and nothing is happening.  My jaw is swollen up on the left side, my head pounding.  I will try to get back to this later.  I want to addess the issues that were brought up on GitHub, but I can't even think at the moment.  Better yet, Jesus, please take me?

Comment by SymbioticDesign Tue, 17th April

Wow that's rough, hope you feel better soon! 

Comment by zephram Tue, 17th April

I've updated the 0 & the x.  Apparently, they have concerns about the k, the R and the s, but for me the B, R, K and k are all related, done in the exact same style, except the k has a shorter upper arm than the K, and the small k has goth cuts at the end of the upper ascenders (because it's lower case).  Even the S complies to the same styling used in the B, R, K & k, but it's top loop is more centered because it's supposed to be a curvy S and shouldn't look like it is falling backward (but the others don't look like they are falling backward because they have strong backs).  So, the s follows that very same styling as the S had. 

Therefore, I am figuring that it might not make it into Google Fonts.  But, the 0 and the x did need to be fixed.  I've updated the archive on my font repository website, too.

Comment by SymbioticDesign Sat, 21st April

I wouldn't download it right now.  I'm trying to solve a problem.  Hopefully I can make the right bricks, but still experimenting with that puzzle. 

Maybe I should make it private while I am working on it? 

Comment by SymbioticDesign Tue, 22nd May

This is getting better. :) Latin B: you have lowercase schwa in the wrong place—it's near the end of the block. 018F is the capital form.

Comment by TCWhite Tue, 22nd May

Very early comment: I don't know where the 'meh' face is hiding. I't's in extended pictographs, which you cannot access here, i.e., because it is outside the BMP (Basic Multilingual Plane). I also add quite a few more glyphs outside the BMP, such as the raised MC and MD, which are the Canadian forms for TM, SM, et ceterea.

Concerning k: the issue may be due to the fact that the top leg is above the x-height? It throws off the balance with the remainder of the lc.

Latin B again: check out my latest font, Gowa for more accurate designs. :) Or even Khnum or Hjet. Most people, having no idea about said characters, simply design them according to the Unicode images, which, for the most part, are wrong. They even state this in the Unicode guide book. Also, most people fail to research the languages that use these characters. All information about these extra Latin glyphs is on the SIL website.


Comment by TCWhite Tue, 22nd May

P.S.: Yes, you should make all the dots harmonize; the daeiresis should be the same as the regular dot on i—the same height, that is. This also applies to the dot beneath, et cetera.

Comment by TCWhite Tue, 22nd May

I found a ton of stray bricks on the 2...

Comment by Se7enty-Se7en Tue, 22nd May

Wow, thanks for all the comments, TCWhite.  Yes, I am trying to make bricks to solve an issue, I need a way to angle differently, and a slow curve is actually what I need, but that's the real thing  I am always hitting my head on.  I'm trying to fix some issues, but the block puzzle is unnerving me, so then I take a break and go to a different font. 

Hey there, Se7enty-Se7en, yup, I am trying to figure what the heck I can do about the 2, trying to build bricks with a different angle so I can make it work and still keep it angular.  But I needed a break.

Should I make a font private when I'm working on it even if someone can clone it and fix it themselves if they really want to? 

I'm not really worried about being embarrassed, I have the Font-Journal where I have my official font releases.  Anything here can be "in development".

Comment by SymbioticDesign Wed, 23rd May

@TCWhite... Namaste, I was looking all over the SIL website for some sort of reference to the multilingual glyphs and couldn't find it.  I'll keep looking, but that is a design resource I really would like to see, so share the link if you have it. 

I am unsure what the raised MC & MD are, as I am unfamiliar with that symbol, but I'm going to check out your font to see what you were talking about. 

I also need to add an S with a Celia, for the Polish (at least, I think it's a Celia they add to the S).

I couldn't figure out what you meant by the k leg being above the x-height.  You mean the arm that reaches up diagonally?  I'll look at it again.

As far as getting the dots to harmonize, OK, that makes sense.  I'll have to put my crazy period styling in everything else, then.

I think the 'meh face' and other smilies were in the dingbats.  These were done before I knew how to create blocks and delete the extras I didn't need in the composites by clicking on the composite with the shift key down, so I might revisit them. 

Sometimes I forget to save it with the universal characters enabled because I was trying to meet the Google Fonts character requirements guidelines. 

I did just update the font with more kerning, a new 2 and a new 7, but I think the 7 may have missed the mark.  I'll experiment a little more with it.

The idea behind this font as a condensed skinny bold font with gothic style cut ends that is intended to cram in as many letter glyphs as possible on a single line, and yet be perfectly legible, with selected extraneous dingbats and UI glyphs, but I might be able to add more now that I know how to use the custom composite block building better.   And yet, I'm not going to take that too far since I've already got a sans and serif version of this font already sort of done, simply awaiting how I improve this one (and hence how I might improve them).

Comment by SymbioticDesign Sun, 3rd June

Concerning the glyph information: it's actually a link on their site at the bottom of the page. The site is called ScriptSource. (scriptsource.org)

At the top, select the characters button, then you can peruse the various Unicode blocks and click on the individual letters for information—if they have it. For example, take Eng, in Latin A. On its page are links to languages that use it, its preferred shape, et cetera. You may have to install a SIL font, however, to see some of the characters, as most fonts lack them. I recommend Gentium Plus, or my font, Dehuti, which you can peruse on SmartFonts: https://smartfonts.com/dehuti.font?style=book

Click on character set above the example text to see the characters.

Here's an example of Dehuti in use:


Polish: yes, it is a cedilla. In Latin A, the only characters that should have the cedilla are S and T. G, K, L, R, and N are named incorrectly, and should have commas, not cedillas. This goes for D as well, in Latin Extended Additional.

Latin B, for example: Latin letter Oi is misnamed, and is actually Gh based off a cursive form.

Concerning harmonization, this is very helpful: https://foundry.myfonts.com/guides/#common-errors


Comment by TCWhite Sun, 3rd June

Here's another useful page: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/typography/develop/character-design-standards/diacritics

Also, from the designer of Gentium: http://gaultney.org/jvgtype/wp-content/uploads/ProbsOfDiacDesignLowRes.pdf

Comment by TCWhite Sun, 3rd June

This is also highly informative: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin-script_letters

Comment by TCWhite Sun, 3rd June

The above page leads you here: http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?cat_id=TypeDesignPrinciples

Comment by TCWhite Sun, 3rd June

—I couldn't figure out what you meant by the k leg being above the x-height.  You mean the arm that reaches up diagonally?  I'll look at it again.—

The x-height is the heighth of the lowercase, and currently your k exceeds, or rather, rises above it. It should be like x. If that helps?

Comment by TCWhite Sun, 3rd June

WOW, @TCWhite, what a great wealth of knowledge.  This is a great library, and I am going to save all these links, and even put them online to assist others.  AWESOME!!!  

Thanks so much, Namaste!

I have already been educated a great deal glancing everything over.  I feel like there is an online course in here.  And this is the type of info I have been Googling for forever. 

Yum!  Time to eat up all this delicious info!

Thanks AGAIN!  -DP

Comment by SymbioticDesign Mon, 4th June

(Made a quick adjustment to the 7, but I see there are lots of things to change, now, so I won't be putting up a new sample right away.)

Comment by SymbioticDesign Mon, 4th June

Fixed the stupid k no one liked (I actually like it better the other way, but I agree, it isn't appropriate with the rest of the somewhat boring characters). 

I am trying to find my kerning cheat sheet, I had it in here on one of the fonts.  I did kern this once, just want to check it. 

I am also looking for the link to the archive submission on GitHub, but I can probably find it somewhere, I just want to address all the issues before resubmitting to Google, again.

Comment by SymbioticDesign Today, 5:40 AM

I just resubmitted to Google Fonts and got:

The server returned a "500 Internal Server Error".

Comment by SymbioticDesign Today, 10:47 AM

Saved for the next resubmission:

Adjusted the small k(s) so that the secondary arm is under x height. Adjusted all of the periods and dots to be the same, adjusted the commas, apostrophes and quotes to all be the same. This version should show more uniformity and compliance with SIL character design directives, especially as I corrected the cedillas and carons that are actually looking more like commas.

Sorry that this update took a while.  I do this in my spare time and I have way too many irons in the fire.

I'm still willing to listen to any criticism, but I would like to get this one accepted (once it is what is expected) because I have a whole font family awaiting further development based on this model.

Thank you!  

It's really late (actually early morning, now), I will add some character sample graphic images, later.

-Doug Peters (@Domainer)

Comment by SymbioticDesign Today, 10:48 AM

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