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How do you think FS can improve?
Comment by User-Founded FontStruct Discussions (forum) 21st april 2012
First, congrats for your cool avatar.
I think personally that the device that would need the most important improvement should be the PREVIEWS in FS, whose low definition is absolutely not adapted to intricate works. When i saw how were rendered my works in Myfonts or Dafont, even choosing a relatively small size, it was day and night with FS, i rediscovered them. All details were there, when you always have to Zoom in to excessively big sizes on FS just to begin seeing details.
Comment by Abneurone Fluid Types 21st april 2012
Thanks for starting the forum :)
maybe you could write the whole text on the font just in one character, so it would show in the live feed properly.
Comment by V. Sarela (Yautja) 21st april 2012
@ne Yeah, the preview window definitely needs fixing.

I've sent some suggestions and bug reports before, so I'll write them here too. Bugs:
-When I start the fontstructor, I can't choose the first square brick in "all bricks" (it doesn't turn yellow)
-When I add more bricks to the "my bricks" window, the scrollbar doesn't go all the way down unless I resize the window
-When you select a character, change to a new character and zoom in or out, the previous character appears
-When zoomed out, you can't add a brick to the first grid square at the baseline
-Stray bricks sometimes appear somewhere far away from the main working area

And suggestions:
-When there's only one guide, the remove button should be hidden (sometimes it seems to be so, sometimes not)
-"Lock guides" probably shouldn't affect the width guide (I often need to change that but not the guides, so I need to keep locking and unlocking)
-Making it possible to hide the zoom window
-Having the tool palette next to the "my bricks" window by default
-Possibly a shop where you could sell your designs and maybe commercial fonts?
Comment by V. Sarela (Yautja) 21st april 2012
Nice avatar too, by the way. What if you added a grey "fs forum" bar at the bottom (like on staff avatars)? And maybe you could save it as a png or gif for better quality.
Comment by V. Sarela (Yautja) 21st april 2012
@neurone Thanks!
@Yautja Thank you. Regarding the "shop" idea, FS is based on free fonts, and we do have FontShop, so I don't think that's the best idea.

I will work on the avatar. I have three accounts now! It's a bit stressful.
Comment by demonics 21st april 2012
You're right about the shop, probably best to keep FS simple and free.
Comment by V. Sarela (Yautja) 21st april 2012
@Yautja Yeah...that's what I admire about it. I think I nailed the avatar this time. More topics coming up!
Comment by User-Founded FontStruct Discussions (forum) 21st april 2012
I tried saving as a GIF...not much difference, oh well. I'm working with a very stubborn Publisher 2003.
Comment by User-Founded FontStruct Discussions (forum) 21st april 2012
Putting all the characters into one glyph didn't work very well. I can't deal with it now, I'll do it later.
Comment by demonics 21st april 2012
Ooh! Ooh! I know! I know! Here are some things that Rob Meek (meek) should really fix:
1) The # of brix 4 stax & composites r limited.
2) You can't make composites with any stacked brix.
3) The filters limit is low.
Comment by anonymous-479865 21st april 2012
Well. Glitches:
1) In Firefox; when the screen is "restore down", and I FontStruct, and then is go back to Maximize, the right part of the screen is a blank void until I fiddle with the zoom bar. This problem doesn't appear in Opera.

2) In the FontStructor's Preview, (at least on the bottom area) if it's set to the largest size, then instantly shrinked down to pixel resolution, there's nothing, not even a scroll bar. So then you have to zoom back to large, and slowly scroll to small, while moving the scroll bar so that the Fontstruction still shows in the area.
Comment by Houlaiziaa 21st april 2012
Oh, and if a character width is 0, say for a combiner character, the FontStructor changes it to 1 if closed and reopened. And if the automatic width makes it so that the width is less than 0, then the width could be something like -2 even if set to 0 and saved.
Comment by Houlaiziaa 21st april 2012
I've got 1 more I forgot:
4) Remember that inversion tool someone said on your blog? No matter how advanced it seems, add it!
Comment by anonymous-479865 21st april 2012
Nice, everyone! meek, are you seeing this?

My suggestion: in the Live feed, show all fontstructing as default, not selected, for those that haven't gotten TPs.
Comment by demonics 21st april 2012
I've got 2 more! 5) If you copy/paste something & rotate and/or flip it, the new rotated and/or flipped brix do not appear in MY BRICKS. 6) If the filters r set to 2, your letters are scrunched together.
Comment by anonymous-479865 21st april 2012
A suggestion: an automatic 1x1 -> 2x2 filter conversion, where a space is put between each brick. (That could also help with micgio's point #6)
Comment by V. Sarela (Yautja) 21st april 2012
For my glitch 1, mistake. I meant the hand that moves the canvas, not the zoom.
Comment by Houlaiziaa 21st april 2012
First of all, thanks for your brilliant idea to make this forum, demonix! And the avatar is cool :)

-I've wondered if there are undo and redo button on the FontStructor.
-And I think we can reduce the limitness of curves if there are compositing composites feature.

I hope this little forum will realized by meek and make this site better.
Comment by cablecomputer 22nd april 2012
I have been lurking around FS for a while and I think this forum is a great idea. There is one thing I'd like to contribute, which is that if you rotate/flip a block then form a stack with it, the stack is instead formed with the original orientation of the block. I know I've said this before but it's still there, so I think it'd be a good idea.

Also with regards to all of micgio's suggestions 1-3, I know they are really good but they might be extremely difficult to implement, so it might be crazy to have them all. As of now, there is actually no restriction on the number of bricks you can have in a stack. Actually, by solely modifying the filter range, it is possible to overcome the lack in composite functionality and reduce the need for creating more complexities such as stacks in composites and composites in composites. Thus I propose keeping the composites and stack functions as they are, and changing the upper filter limit to 5 or thereabouts.

Finally, +1 to the inversion idea that we've been suggesting for a long time.
Comment by 3moDuDe 22nd april 2012
@cablecomputer: there are undo and redo buttons in menu -> edit, or you can press Z or Y.

-Automatically close bold etc. tags in comments and descriptions (there's a bit of a problem on live feed now for example)
-Sometimes the comment box is at the top, sometimes at the bottom, sometimes both. It could be at the bottom only (easier to see the last comments)
Comment by V. Sarela (Yautja) 22nd april 2012
@yautja: What?? I've never realized the undo/redo button before. How shame... :/ Thanks for the info!
Comment by cablecomputer 22nd april 2012
@3moDude : YYEESS! I also always thought that increasing the filter range would be a great idea: to enable more special effects but also, to add more possibilities of "real" curves if at the same time new kinds of arcbrics adapted to the different filterings were added.
Comment by Abneurone Fluid Types 22nd april 2012
In the same idea, we could have a set of half, quarter, or even more fractionned arcbrics joining at some filtering, what would permit to get "real" curves even in largest grids and avoid these ugly polygonal approximations we have now.
Comment by Abneurone Fluid Types 22nd april 2012
May I sound a note of caution about this forum. There has always existed a perfectly adequate means communiucating with the FontStruct team - Support/Contact/'I have a suggestion' or 'I have a problem', I have used this facility in the past and have always received a speedy and helpful response.

There have been some positive things here - fellow FontStructors pointing out already existing features such as the 'undo'/'redo' function. That is entirely in keeping with the spirit of FontStruct as we have always been ready and willing to help one another as well as guiding those who are new.

However it would be a shame if this forum descends into being just a conduit for demands/grumbles/complaints/whinges etc. Always remember that FontStruct is not some mega-rich, multi-national corporation ... it is an extremely useful and clever tool - given to us freely. It is largely the work of one man. Rob Meek does all he can to ensure that FontStruct works well and continues to develop - but it is only one part of his, already busy, life.

As I said, Fontstruct is a tool - and it takes time and patience to master any tool. Part of the fun of FontStruct for many is in managing to overcome its limitations and then producing work that we can be proud of.

If you have a spare $650 lying around then go and buy Fontlab, I'm sure it would do the job far better In the meantime we should all enjoy what we have here and go forward as a community in a spirit of co-operation and mutual support.

... and let's not forget the old saying ... 'a bad workman always blames his tools'.
Comment by p2pnut 22nd april 2012
I closed the bold/italic tags.

The suggestion forum is more meant for the users than the staff - we can see what's already been suggested, so the staff doesn't get numerous emails about the same things, that's why I thought this would be a good place to put ideas. Plus there can be more discussions on other topics, so it's not just "complaining". :)
Comment by V. Sarela (Yautja) 22nd april 2012
LOL - this bad workman forgot how to stop the bold and italics - would you be kind enough to alter to after Contact/Support and to after 'I have a problem' :)
Comment by p2pnut 22nd april 2012 least I think I closed the italic tag. This is what I was talking about in my previous post.
Comment by V. Sarela (Yautja) 22nd april 2012
@Yautia: cheers - would you be kind enough to close the italics after 'I have a problem'.
You could also remove the one immediately above this :)
Comment by p2pnut 22nd april 2012
Or if it is easier - just edit out all my html tags.
Comment by p2pnut 22nd april 2012
demonics has access to the forum account, though I don't think you can edit other people's posts.
Comment by V. Sarela (Yautja) 22nd april 2012
OK buddy - as long as people don't think all my bold/italics mean that I am on a rant :)
Comment by p2pnut 22nd april 2012
@p2pnut Amen. We aren't here to complain. This forum was actually meant for people to tell others their concept ideas for this website, not complain about every little glitch in the preview window etc. As I'm typing the words “this website,” I realise that it is just a website.

About your bold/italic run up there: everyone makes mistakes :)
Comment by demonics 22nd april 2012
Here's my list (so far), in no particular order.

1) A better way of organising fontstructs into folders or groups. I have 556 fontstructions spread over 56 pages. A pull down menu, where you can sort by Date/ Alphabetically/ Tag etc with the option to reverse it. Or folders that fontstructs can be dropped in, and can be individually named and organised as above. So you can have fonts in categories like Black Letter, Block, Pixel, 3D, Display, Experimental, To Sell, Completed etc. Otherwise I find it can take up to 30 minutes to find a font.

2) The elusive ‘house’ brick. I know you can create it using composites and filters, but recently on several designs, it is still the one brick that cannot be produced at smaller sizes, and I have to correct the design in Fontllab. Having this brick would make all my fonts perfect.

3) The option to show work, but not allow downloads.

4) The option to sell work, with a percentage going towards Fontstruct.

5) STOP users making exact clones and renaming them as there own.

6) The option to scale bricks to any size.

7) A font mortar countdown for the number of bricks you have used/ can use before it crashes.

8) Option to adjust line width. It should be set to caps/lower case height. At the mo, it’s set to the lowest and highest brick is.

9) Correct the PREVIEW when viewed on a MAC in Fontbook. Currently all fontstruction when previewed say ‘Five big quacking zephyrs jolt my wax bed’. Every other font I preview shows the Alphabet and numerals. This is very frustrating.
Comment by djnippa 22nd april 2012
I love Fontstruct, and can manage without any of the above, but like most things there is always 'room for improvement', and there is nothing wrong with making suggestions, especially when you are asked by the site itself.
Comment by djnippa 22nd april 2012
@djnippa regarding the folders, don't tags kind of work like folders? Or you could enter your name in the font search and filter the results. It would be good if you could set the category on fonts yourself though.
Comment by V. Sarela (Yautja) 22nd april 2012
@Yautja. No. Tags only work on published work. There is no option to search tags in your personal unpublished work.
Comment by djnippa 22nd april 2012
But you can still browse your unpublished fonts with certain tags, right? Do you mean that there should be a way to arrange them, like in search?

Speaking of tags, I remember reading somewhere that private tags are not visible to others, although that is not the case. Not sure if they should be.
Comment by V. Sarela (Yautja) 22nd april 2012
@Yautija As I have already said - No, you can't browse unpublished with tags. There is no search box. Please look at your unpublished Fontstructions, you will find the answers to your questions.
Comment by djnippa 22nd april 2012
10) The option to be alerted for responses when you comment on someones work.
Comment by djnippa 22nd april 2012
I can click a tag and it shows published and unpublished fonts with that tag, which is what I meant. Can't search by name though, so that could be added. I just think that having both tags and folders would be a bit confusing.
Comment by V. Sarela (Yautja) 22nd april 2012
@djnippa forum was actually created by me with the help of yautja, neurone, and cablecomputer. True, there is nothing wrong with making suggestions and you aren't the one doing anything wrong. People complaining about tiny glitches that don't matter is the annoying part, and I'm sure meek is sick of it. Also, if you read toward the top of the comments, people already said some suggestions that you did.

Basically, suggestions are fine, complaints are unnecessary, especially if they don't matter. For instance your suggestion #9 is not quite a big deal or talking about how FS can improve. Correct me if I'm wrong, djnippa or p2p.
Comment by demonics 22nd april 2012
@djnippa: Not sure if this helps, but for unpublished work I just add a tag with the font name and can then select it from the 'All tags' list on my 'Fontstructions' page.

@demonics: Suggestions are fine and this gives them a chance to be discussed - I just don't want to see something that puts even more pressure on Rob
Comment by p2pnut 22nd april 2012
@p2pnut. That's a top suggestion but it doesn't show ALL fonts named under that tag. It only shows font that are actually tagged in the fonts tags.
Comment by djnippa 22nd april 2012
@Demonics. Sorry I thought this was set up by Fontstruct. I'm out.
Comment by djnippa 22nd april 2012
@djnippa I'm sorry I didn't make that clear. It's ok, you don't have to leave. I still want you to comment here! You can make suggestions on big glitches on the site, but I meant not tiny little things that don't matter. I'm sorry for not clarifying.
Comment by demonics 23rd april 2012
Congratulations for creating an unofficial user forum in such an ingenious manner.

I have followed it, as I have followed all the "font moots" in the past. I'm not going to comment on all feature requests but they are almost all good ones so far. It is good to put pressure on me although it doesn't mean things will be fixed or features added quickly, but it might help.

What is the "house brick"?
Comment by Rob Meek (meek) 23rd april 2012

I think dj nippa meant a brick like this...

Comment by aphoria 23rd april 2012
@meek Thank you!
Comment by demonics 23rd april 2012
I have to chime in and say that the most consistent and useful approach to enabling ‘house’ bricks is to add the following set of corner bricks. The first grayed out row already exists and is included for reference. The other approach, of course, os to allow composites and stacks to be composited...
Comment by William Leverette (will.i.ૐ) 23rd april 2012
7) When u copy letters 2 Latin accents, the y's don't go 2 y w/ acute.
8) Under Unicode Settings, some--er, most--of the characters r replaced w/ spaces or rectangles.

Comment by anonymous-479865 23rd april 2012
@micgio Somewhat annoying, right? Luckily there's Unicode Charts and Character Map :) Maybe it's what FS's default font is (apparently Arial). Since many characters I do have support for are rectangles (at least on Win. XP), such as Cyrillic Supplement 1 showing as rectangles despite being supported by Segoe UI, which I have on this computer. And IPA, even though it's in Arial Unicode MS, MS Gothic&Mincho set, WenQuanYi Zen Hei, DejaVu, Titus Cyberbit Basic, Lucida Sans Unicode, etc.
And this is probably somewhat complicated but a way to change the font used to show in the Fontstructor's Current Letter box. It has the potential to make it easier for people making a font that is Serif of Sans Serif only. Also a possible remedy for the strange minor glitch above.
Comment by Houlaiziaa 24th april 2012
(Closed bold tag) And another suggestion is a way to make the Unicode block selections scroll faster with the scroll wheel or something. OR just faster in general with the arrow button. And/or the character bar at he bottom turned into a grid of some sort, for large blocks. Maybe replacing the My Bricks for people making bitmap fonts....?
i'm lazy but get by FontStructing so you don't have to consider all my suggestions :)
Comment by Houlaiziaa 24th april 2012
@micgio What are catches?
Comment by demonics 24th april 2012
Hope this fixed the bold problem.
Comment by demonics 24th april 2012
Ahaha weird glitch ahoy. Not the pan-unicode most of BMP range setting, it's the normal setting. Full size image
Comment by Houlaiziaa 1st may 2012
@demonics: 'Catches' are things you need 2 watch out for.
Comment by anonymous-479865 5th may 2012
Glitch 2: Hangul set. If you press the right key on the keyboard, there's space and two Hangul characters. If you scroll with the arrows on the interface, then the list wraps around. The left key while at the first character of the set, Chosong Kiyeok, will go to the end of the list, but if you click on a character that isn't one of the three at the end, then the list wraps. And they don't show up again unless you choose the beginning again and use the left key again. :/
Comment by Houlaiziaa 6th may 2012
Ahh I failed at that

Clearer (?) explanation

1) Go to Hangul Set

2) Press Left (Keyboard) and end up on 힣

3) Click on anything not [space], 가, or 힣 and the list unusually wraps around to the first character, and the three disappear

1) Go to Hangul Set

2) Scroll to the end with the arrows

3) The list wraps itself infinitely (?)
Comment by Houlaiziaa 6th may 2012
Capital Y with diaeresis is in both More Latin and Extended Latin A.
Comment by Houlaiziaa 6th may 2012
@demonics can you make a topic for FS advice?
Comment by V. Sarela (Yautja) 7th may 2012
@Yautja What do you mean?
Comment by demonics 7th may 2012
Yautja, here's a general forum.
Comment by demonics 7th may 2012
According to the bold problems that appears so often, I have an idea for that. I get this picture from a well-known forum site on my country. Options of Bold, Italic, and other a positioned neatly and without an XTHML code or whatever... (sorry idk a lot of that thing). And maybe with smilies options!! :P

Just an idea...
Comment by cablecomputer 7th may 2012
@demonics just something for questions and tips on how to make certain shapes or characters on FS.
Comment by V. Sarela (Yautja) 7th may 2012
That could be here, yautja.
Comment by demonics 7th may 2012
9) On FULL SCREEN mode, "shortcut keys" don't work.
Comment by anonymous-479865 8th may 2012
I just wanted to make sure that the angles in the image are all the angles that are possible in FS. Do you know of any more?

I'm pretty sure that someone wrote something about this in the past but I could not find it...

Comment by laynecom 11th may 2012
@laynecom: 2x3 angle is possible too, and I believe with 1x2 filters 1x12 and 1x16 would also be possible. See djnippa's tool for help.
Comment by V. Sarela (Yautja) 11th may 2012
@yautja 2:3?
Comment by demonics 11th may 2012
Comment by V. Sarela (Yautja) 12th may 2012
This is how to make 2:3 using composites.
Comment by djnippa 12th may 2012
10) I have another creative idea for a "new-brick" maker besides stax & composites: brick slicing.

1) Select the brick you want to slice.

2) Click a NEW SLICE button in the menu. (how 'bout shift+q?

3) Use the "knife" tool to slice the brick. If you have to, resize the new brick.

4) You're done!
Comment by anonymous-479865 12th may 2012
Maybe even edit the points! There could be "done" buttons for when you finish.

11) Sometimes comments have limited sizes.
Comment by anonymous-479865 13th may 2012
Suggestion: guides could be saved to the fonts, so you don't have to set them again (if browser's cookies are deleted).
Also, in the preview page, if you zoom in so that a scrollbar appears, then scroll down and zoom out, the scrollbar disappears and the font doesn't show correctly.
Comment by V. Sarela (Yautja) 14th may 2012
@djnippa Thanks!
Comment by demonics 17th may 2012
@Yautja So it's not just me and Firefox 3.6 then.
Comment by Houlaiziaa 17th may 2012
@u126 Safari all the way, man!
Comment by demonics 17th may 2012
When you quit the fontstructor while viewing the space character and then go back, it shows the Hangul alphabet.

Also, it's frustrating that fonts are sometimes different when they're downloaded (random bricks replaced, space between words is different, etc). Hope it can be fixed.
Comment by V. Sarela (Yautja) 17th may 2012
And I also have some of your problems:

12) Unless you resize the ZOOM, the scrollbar won't change.

13)That new kind of comment post cablecomputer showed. And don't make it that typewriter font again.

And the commonly suggested:


@meek: Fix all our problems & suggestions!!! :)
Comment by anonymous-479865 23rd may 2012
I don't have a suggestion.
I just wanted to express my thanks to those of you that allow cloning of your fonts. I have learned so much about filters, stacking, composites, etc just by studying the fonts made by others.
Many thanks!
Comment by fontqueen100 25th may 2012
1) OpenType features like ligatures and kerning
2) These bricks
Comment by truth14ful 26th may 2012
Sorry, I meant these bricks
Comment by truth14ful 26th may 2012
@micgio Believe it or not, Rob Meek does not have magical powers. He can't fix everything, ‘cause he's human, like us
Comment by demonics 26th may 2012
I hope he can fix all, but it must needs time. ;)
Comment by cablecomputer 26th may 2012
@truth14ful: I have your problems :)
>>>>15) FontCreator's kerning
>>>>16) Those brix
Comment by anonymous-479865 26th may 2012
@truth14ful: With my suggestion #4, those brix could be possible.
Comment by anonymous-479865 26th may 2012
I was reading all these suggestions, & something just occurred to me:
FontStruct is free to use @ its fonts are free to download and sometimes to clone, but the more people realize its potential, the more they think of changes that can be made. Only 1 solution:

Comment by truth14ful 26th may 2012
@truth14ful Wouldn't that degrade FS' quality?
Comment by demonics 27th may 2012
Probably not. A lot of practical, good-quality software is open source - Linux, LibreOffice, and Gimp to name a few. Besides, there could always be regular snapshots of FS's best versions, including its latest closed-source one.
Comment by truth14ful 28th may 2012
What would you imagine, @truth14ful?
Comment by demonics 28th may 2012
Well, if the source code was released, people could put a FontStructor on their own site. Or if they were programmers, they could fix bugs, add new features, and then release it as a new version. We would still have the older ones to use.
Comment by truth14ful 28th may 2012
Once I saw this guy suggest this on FS:

17) Under Advanced, where it says Copy Basic Latin letters->Latin Accents, Upper->Lower, and Lower->Upper, there could also be Basic Latin-Latin Extended A, etc.
Comment by anonymous-479865 7th june 2012
I'm having some trouble with FS, it keeps logging me out and I can't save my fonts.
Comment by V. Sarela (Yautja) 9th june 2012
There seems to be a whole bunch of invisible bricks in one font...
Comment by V. Sarela (Yautja) 10th june 2012
@Yautja: I have that same bug in my "Special Kerning"
Comment by anonymous-479865 14th june 2012
Suggestion: "templates" for new fontstructions, where you could have preset bricks, filters, tags etc.

The abovementioned invisible brick problem still persists.
Comment by V. Sarela (Yautja) 20th august 2012
I would like to see the filters option going up as high as 4
:4 or at least 3:3.
I use 2:2 filters almost every time and it lets me have more options when I mix bricks, and with 3:3 or 4:4 it would be even better.

Also I would like to second the will.i.ૐ's suggestion since I've needed that type of bricks many times before.
Comment by jmarquez 26th august 2012
Suggestions (not bugs):

1. The "Copy to Latin Accents" button should be removed and REPLACED with a "Copy from Basic Latin (or Greek..)" button in each block like Latin Extended-A, Greek Extended, etc...

2. Maybe a chat where people could ask stuff when they're in trouble?

3. Friends? Fun is impossible to make when you're alone.

4. Maybe a "Sneak Peek" thing where people could look at their FRIENDS' FontStructions (while FontStructing), but with permission.
Comment by minidonut 27th september 2012

// Your #2 already exists. It's these forums.
Comment by demonics 27th september 2012
@demonics: No, I mean, quickly asking stuff WHILE FontStructing. +They it's more.. quick. This is kinda... nevermind.
Comment by minidonut 27th september 2012
Folders to sort fonts. like Finished Fonts folder, font family folder, Serif folder...
Comment by Houlaiziaa 16th october 2012
If it is technically possible, I would definitely second Umbreon126's suggestion.

Comment by p2pnut 16th october 2012
I meant to write:

Am I the only one who has trouble creating new fontstructions? When I write the name and click "Create new fontstruction" it goes to "fontstructions/create" and shows a blank page. I tried writing "", but that took me back to the naming page. I have also tried to go to the fontstructor, but that is just the last font I edited.

Are you aware of this bug Meek?

Im running Firefox 16.0.1 on a Windows XP machine.
Comment by Christian Munk (CMunk) 8th november 2012
I had no problem (FF 16.0.2, Win 7)
Comment by V. Sarela (Yautja) 8th november 2012
Just updated to 16.0.2, still nothing...
Comment by Christian Munk (CMunk) 8th november 2012
@cmunk. I'll have a look …
Comment by joeuser 8th november 2012
@cmunk (joeuser is meek). I can't see a problem. Try clearing your browser cache.
Comment by Rob Meek (meek) 8th november 2012
I think that maybe you should be able to make a font family, and there would just be a little button that said "Make New Font Family" and you could choose to create a family from scratch, or choose existing fonts you have made and put them into a special "family" directory. When other users viewed this directory, they could comment on the whole family, or comment on one font in the family.

Also, there could be a special "spacing" editor, where you could edit ligatures and kerning, and also adjust how long a space (blank) is.
Comment by Noah F. Ross (winty5) 22nd november 2012
@winty5: I definitely agree that a folder system would be a useful addition. When you have 100s of fonts it would be great to sub-divide them into categories ... 'Sans', 'Serif', 'Display' etc. and to then sub-divide them into families.

As to the spacing issue, you can already adjust the 'space' (between the lowercase and numbers) and 'no-break space' (at the end of 'More Latin').
Comment by p2pnut 23rd november 2012
@p2pnut: Thanks for the help on spacing, I almost never venture into "More Latin".

Another suggestion I have is that there should be a Diamond/Rhombus brick, and there should be a brick editor where you can build your own bricks. The Bricks Editor allows you to draw bricks with vector points, instead of creating them with existing bricks, like in compositing and stacking. Also, there should be a new tool called "Pencil Eraser" Pencil Eraser allows you to erase by drawing, instead of selecting a bunch of bricks in a rectangle and deleting them all at once. These would help many FontStructors, including me. :)
Comment by Noah F. Ross (winty5) 23rd november 2012
I would especially like to see these bricks. They can all be made using simple compositing.
Comment by Noah F. Ross (winty5) 26th november 2012
Another suggestion: Compositing composites and compositing stack bricks.

And don't forget these bricks:
Comment by Noah F. Ross (winty5) 26th november 2012
And a "library of composites" like djnippa's All Composites saved in MY BRICKS" would be a good idea to have built into the fontstructor so you wouldn't need to have to make the bricks, in my opinion this would make FS more user friendly, but it's up to Mr.Meek if he wants to listen to these suggestions.
Comment by Noah F. Ross (winty5) 26th december 2012
@winty5: The number of composite bricks we can possibly make is staggering. There is no point repeating all the same as ready made bricks. Instead, let's focus on those bricks we really need, but can't be made as composites, no matter how hard we try.

Pencil Eraser: There is a trick, a workaround. Suppose, you want some white hand drawn pattern on black. 1. Draw the black background. 2. Using the Pencil Tool draw your pattern somewhere outside of the background. 3. Select your pattern. 4. Copy and paste it by pressing C and V, respectively. This step is only for safety: in case something goes wrong, you still have a copy of your pattern. 5. As the pasted pattern is still selected (blue), move it over the background, position it carefully. 6. Delete the pattern by pressing X. As a result your pattern appears in white against a black background.

It's a sort of thing that's much easier to do than explain.
Comment by Frodo7 27th december 2012
@Frodo7: You're right about the composite thing, but the Pencil Eraser thing would be an easier solution to what you explained above.
Comment by Noah F. Ross (winty5) 27th december 2012
What about an option for an on/off button to either allow your font to be DOWNLOADED or not.
When I design a font, I like to show it, as I really appreciate everyone's comments, but I hesitate to show anything these days, as I design my fonts with the intention of selling them - if I feel they are worthy.
Also the majority of these fonts are rough versions of the final font. It is not supposed to be used and abused.
Comment by djnippa 1st january 2013
@djnippa: I agree. Some of my fonts I don't want people downloading, and it would prevent unfinished work from being downloaded. That feature would help me a lot.
Comment by Noah F. Ross (winty5) 1st january 2013
Also please increase the 1024 char limit.
Comment by Noah F. Ross (winty5) 1st january 2013
What 1024 limit? there is pretty much no limit to how many characters your font can have.
Comment by Houlaiziaa 1st january 2013
No, I meant the limit of characters that can be on your profile page.
Comment by Noah F. Ross (winty5) 1st january 2013
Oh. Well 1024 seems enough to me, IMHO.
suggestion:separate published and private fonts.
Comment by Houlaiziaa 2nd january 2013
Well, maybe you can publish only the limited character set, let's say only UC (but show us LC, punctuation, accents etc on a sample image).
And if you're using software like Fontlab, you can always say: "This is a demo version. For a full font, with kerning, alternatives, full character set, you know all those opentype features, please buy it, or contact me @mail".

I aslo think of selling fonts, you know, just to see what happens :) I'm not naive, and I know that one can't earn money for a living by selling fonts if you're not already in a TYPE business, which I'm not. So it seems is the best option for freelancers like me.
I was thinking to start from my "Happi" or "Garage Garbage", I already have some accents, cyrillics for them, and all I need to do is to figure out the kerning (I don't think I'll go any further).
Thanks for reading this. Happy New 2013 Year!
Comment by kassymkulov 2nd january 2013
@staff : A simple feature (but maybe hard to release on Fontstructor) which could make it almost as a vector soft, just by allowing each case/brick to receive its own filtering, (possibly) different for each case/brick added.
Comment by Abneurone Fluid Types 3rd january 2013
I think if FS staff adds these features we're asking for, Fontstructor won't be free anymore :)
Comment by kassymkulov 4th january 2013
@architaraz: If it wasn't free, then I couldn't even use FS because I have no money :(
Comment by Noah F. Ross (winty5) 4th january 2013
what is this i don´t even
Comment by Houlaiziaa 9th january 2013
and either it´s just my dialup being retarded or the preview window is just showing a blank rectangle at times
btw 126serif was fine; recently edited; noticed in my fontstructions there was only [⇩]1 and no [ᕱ]*however characters there were*
Comment by Houlaiziaa 9th january 2013
Experiencing the same issues.
Comment by kassymkulov 9th january 2013
My entire font "ztrong eYe/FS" is totally erased when I was trying to save a new glyph just now!!! What happens, please???
Comment by elmoyenique 9th january 2013
Comment by elmoyenique 9th january 2013
@elmo I'm looking at this now. I'll announce when the problem is fixed on the live page.
Comment by Rob Meek (meek) 9th january 2013
@elmo The problem is fixed and your font is no longer blank. (posted my meek impersonating elmo)
Comment by Rob Meek (meek) 9th january 2013
@meek: (-Uff!...-) Thanks a lot, boss!!!
Comment by elmoyenique 9th january 2013
I know there have been some bugs with the Hangul section; and I've got another one to add to the list. Occasionally, when I edit a font, it opens in Hangul. If that happens, I just change it back to Basic Latin, and nothing else goes wrong. Not a big deal.

@meek: I'm still noticing a bunch of blank fonts on Fontstruct.

Also, please add these bricks: (Each grid square is one brick.) Thanks!
Comment by ETHproductions 9th january 2013
I have a few suggestions for future bricks (see picture). Having these would greatly help any construction involving strokes with commonly used angles. These bricks can not be created with present tools and methods.
Comment by Frodo7 10th january 2013
Wouldn't it be great if we had an invert colors button? :) You know, it's like when you finish your negative space font, you just press the invert color button, and voila. Of course, to edit a font, you'll have to restore to original color. Is it possible?
Comment by kassymkulov 10th january 2013
It seems the search function is broken... If I choose to sort by character count or anything else in the drop down list it goes to top picks...
Comment by Houlaiziaa 13th january 2013
Ah, never mind, I just disabled JavaScript, that must be it.
Comment by Houlaiziaa 13th january 2013
How about adding these bricks? I know, they're simple to make, but whatever.
Comment by minidonut 16th january 2013
It would be much easier if you have a "My Composites" section, where you can drag&drop your favorite composites. Like those I suggested above. (PS. The idea came from PlayCrafter, where you could re-use your own blocks.)
Comment by minidonut 16th january 2013
The two standard bricks on the left create the composite on the right. What is required is a triangular brick to use with this composite.

I have tried many times to create a composite for the triangle - without success.

If someone out there can create this composite triangle, that would be great

If not, I would be grateful if it could be considered for a future update.
Comment by p2pnut 18th january 2013
Comment by kassymkulov 18th january 2013
@p2pnut like this?
Comment by V. Sarela (Yautja) 18th january 2013
Thanks guys ... I really must stop taking the dumb pills! I'd tried 'everything' - except the obvious :)
Comment by p2pnut 18th january 2013
It's very near to this (2:2 filters):
Comment by elmoyenique 18th january 2013
I've noticed that Tamil Letter Pa keeps repeating in the Tamil set, and Hangul is an infinite loop (???)
Comment by Noah F. Ross (winty5) 18th january 2013
@elmo // Nice use of the new bricks!
Comment by demonics 18th january 2013
I second Frodo's brilliant suggestions.
Comment by djnippa 18th january 2013
The ability to 'Subscribe/ unsubscribe' to a fonts messages. Sometimes when you make a comment, it often gets lost, as you don't know if anyone has responded to it.
I think a subscribe/ unsubscribe feature would make conversations a bit more fluid.
Comment by djnippa 18th january 2013
I would like to see these ready-made triangular corner bricks. We've got rounded ones so why not triangular ones? I'm tired of making my own.
Comment by Jamie Place (FontBlast) 21st january 2013
Comment by Jamie Place (FontBlast) 21st january 2013
@FB, Frodo7, djnippa: Good ideas folks! :)
Comment by Noah F. Ross (winty5) 21st january 2013
What about a FontStruct Instagram page?
Comment by User-Founded FontStruct Discussions (forum) 22nd january 2013
Yeah, good idea! What about FS Youtube?
Comment by Noah F. Ross (winty5) 22nd january 2013
YES to djnippa's suggestion for subscriptions to comments.

I know there will always be more bricks that we want...but, if you do give us some, please give us new ones first.

If it can be made with a composite, it doesn't really need to be a default brick.
Comment by aphoria 22nd january 2013
Don't know about YouTube, but I think I'll go ahead and do the Instagram.
Comment by demonics 22nd january 2013
FontStruct is now unofficially on Instagram! Follow @fontstruct or go to
Comment by User-Founded FontStruct Discussions (forum) 22nd january 2013
Bravo, demonics, for pushing our community further and further!
I do agree with aphoria's statement: "If it can be made with a composite, it doesn't really need to be a default brick."

And another suggestion. Can we add some basic editing tools when writing a comment? You know, italics, bold, url, so that we don't have to use those html codes?
Comment by kassymkulov 23rd january 2013
May I make my plea once again for consideration of the idea of having folders. It would make life so much easier (and quicker) if we could sort our own work into separate folders.
Comment by p2pnut 23rd january 2013
Glad to hear that, demonics!

Hey, I wonder if you hold some FontOuts again. To wait and could be for practice for official competition to be held, just an idea.
Comment by cablecomputer 24th january 2013
@cablecomputer // Yep, I've been wanting to do some FontOuts too, but there was a large conflict in the last one, and they took a lot of work for me to set up and run. If I do start them again, it will most likely be every month.
Comment by demonics 24th january 2013
Suggestion: If the only whitespace characters allowed are normal space and non-breaking, suddenly the other spaces in U2000 General Punctuation seem a bit useless, no?
Bug: Sometimes, in the FontStructor "Preview", the scrollbar (on the bottom at least) disappears, and I have to move or click on the zoom positioning-thing to make it appear again.
Comment by Houlaiziaa 3rd february 2013
Reading the suggestion again, I realize it wasn't clear enough: Only normal space and nonbreaking space can have their width adjusted. No other glyph is allowed to simply be blank but have a width set.
(No, I just set em space's width right here, see?) Restart the FontStructor.
Comment by Houlaiziaa 3rd february 2013
I second p2pnut and umbreon!
Comment by Noah F. Ross (winty5) 3rd february 2013
And I've never got to participate in a FontOut, I sure would like to...

Suggestion: There should be different kinds of TP's like Creative Pick, Useful Pick, Legible Pick, Competition Winner...but of course it's all up to mr.meek, not a little 10 year old like me.
Comment by Noah F. Ross (winty5) 3rd february 2013
@winty5 Hey-ho! I'm 12 years old! :D
I would like:
=> Change filter maximum to 4x4
=> A function to resize bricks, especially the circles. When you now want to get a circle in a design bigger than 2x2 (WHO MAKES A 2x2 DESIGN?????), then you always have rounded squares...
Comment by anonymous-281937 3rd february 2013
Heeelp! Every time I open the FontStructor, it shows an error massage about the Adobe Flash Player.
Should I update it or something wrong on the site or what??

Thanks for any advice!
Comment by cablecomputer 3rd february 2013
Comment by cablecomputer 3rd february 2013
For a week or so now I have been losing all my saved settings - even though I have 'allowed' FontStruct in Global Settings and give Local Storage 1 Mb.
This means that I have to reset all the paramaters (Extra Guides etc.)of my FontStruction each time I open it.
Comment by p2pnut 3rd february 2013
I'm not sure why this has appeared now. There have been no changes to the FontStructor recently.
You could have a look at this FAQ Article for advice on clearing local storage.
Comment by Rob Meek (meek) 3rd february 2013
The problem is I can't allow nor deny it because I can't click on anything! What happened and what should I do?
Comment by cablecomputer 3rd february 2013
I've been having this problem too...
Comment by Noah F. Ross (winty5) 3rd february 2013
I second Wolf's suggestions!

And PUH-LEEEASE make us be able to zoom out more.
Comment by Noah F. Ross (winty5) 3rd february 2013
Sorry, the comment above was actually directed to p2pnut. You really helped, thanks Meek!
Comment by cablecomputer 3rd february 2013

Being able to "friend" people, and "block" spammers and cyberbullies from messaging you or commenting on your fonts.

Prevent cloning fonts and not changing anything.

Allow people to vote on whether or not a fontstrcution should get a TP. If it gets enough votes then it's a TP.

Allow people to block anyone commenting on a certain font or all their fonts.

Don't change image's sizes when uploaded.

Ideas for buttons:

Copy to Extended Latin…
Copy to Greek
Copy to Cyrillic
Upload to (insert font site here)

Comment by Noah F. Ross (winty5) 3rd february 2013
I've already delete from the list of Local Shared Object so that Adobe Player doesn't request amount of local storage.
But it seems doesn't work. The error message still occur and I still can't click on anything on the FontStructor.

Somebody, please help me!!
Comment by cablecomputer 5th february 2013
Nevermind. It goes normal again, thanks in advance!
Comment by cablecomputer 5th february 2013
Just after my first Faux Font i had a Wild idea. Why Not fontstruct with html and JavaScript. . Just using divs. Excuse the spelling darn autocorrect
What do you think? Do i Need to explanier a Little more?
Comment by regular_one 13th february 2013
I think FS needs to add more bricks to easily make letters "S" and "A"
Comment by Renz Jezrel Abong (stylendesign) 13th february 2013
@regular_one — Wow! Great idea! It might be a bit too complex though…
Comment by demonics 14th february 2013
@stylendesign — I think com/fontstructions/show/all_composites_saved_in_my_bricks"this will help you greatly!
Comment by demonics 14th february 2013
Whoops! Sorry, here's the link:
Comment by demonics 14th february 2013
1) There needs to be Suggestions II, this is getting long.
2) Ahahahaha this is amusing: Every time you switch between Unicode Letter Sets and Normal, the list of sets gets wider~
Comment by Houlaiziaa 19th february 2013
It would be cool if there was a place where you can look at a list of all Fontstructors, with options to hide anyone who has no shared fonts, and sort by number of fonts shared, number of Top Picks, and so on.

I like Frodo7's suggestions for bricks. Also, these bricks I forgot in my previous post.
Comment by ETHproductions 19th february 2013
Link to my previous post. And these bricks we have for the triangles, but not round corners.
Comment by ETHproductions 19th february 2013
@ETHproductions: I second the last set of new bricks you propose. Yes, they can be created with composites, as you demonstrate. Since we cannot composite with composites, these would themselves be very useful for creating certain composites. I consider them a logical and useful extension of the current set.

Are you suggesting in the first of your last two posts (with the propeller brick-like formations) bricks such that are contained in a single grid square of your diagram? I work so often in 2x2; at first I thought “ok, these are propeller bricks and some composites or overlays possible with them...” Then I read your previous post.

Those shapes are quite provocative, yet I don’t know about the general usefulness of subdividing quarter-circle-type bricks into quadrants like you show. Doing these mathematical cuts lead to irrational (non-fractional) numbers that would only combine precisely with the other irrational bricks in your first proposed set – just how you have them laid out. Perhaps what would satisfy your desire here is the oft-dreamed-about and requested ability to anchor and scale bricks on an individually basis rather than across the artboard as with the current filter function?

@regular_one: Now there’s an awesome suggestion. I love your lateral thinking. If the FontMortar had an option to output css, FontStruct would instantly become an incredibly powerful modular design tool for html5 layouts and animations. David DeSandro (aka nemoorange) proved this doesn’t just apply to faux-curves. His approach is a diamond in the rough, a hidden gem, unknown but still known to blow minds. :)
Comment by William Leverette (will.i.ૐ) 19th february 2013

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