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Although I had no intention of further development on the FS_Minimal front, but the design of the lowercase s of Minimal compelled me to do this one. It appears as a clone because I wanted to maintain a link to the original, but all the characters have been build anew. All except the lowercase s from Minimal which became the uppercase S for _istic.
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(BTW, what's a thunderbird?)
see this font?
watch it's votes!
i'm officially making a suggestion:
i think it's time for "earning" the ability to vote!
obviously there are SOME haters out there, who seem to have fun downrating the "real" good stuff.
All suggestions on giving permissions for voting and ish, are out of my hand, but i think it's getting a real problem actually.
I'd like to keep the principle of one designer one (anonymous) vote.
There are a few strangely negative people out there, but I guess they have a right to hate.
Some sites use special formulas to weight ratings so that the number of votes cast has significance for the average - such a formula is called Bayesian ratings e.g.:
http://www.thebroth.com/blog/118/bayesian-rating
The drawback of such a system is that it can tend to disadvantage newer work.
Anyway we are open to suggestions.
A weighted rating system could improve the situation, but I cannot suggest a complex one (nor I can easily understand the page you linked to...:). For sure taking into account the number of votes to weight the rating could be a small improvement.
I see that you are worried about newer fonts not being exposed enough, but there's a What's New section for this purpose, and also the featured download that could be updated more frequently (I love Picto People, but how many new beautiful fonts have been shared since?).
Another small consideration: you might use the News sections to gather information and suggestions from users about hot topics like this one. Discussions like this one hosted in a font comment section are not easy to find... (And please, try to update the Latest News section in the Home page, to keep us updated about posted news.)
@Thalamic: welcome back, and excuse me for using this comment section to post my opinion about this issue.
There is a ticket in our bugs and enhancement management system to look at this issue and some work has been done already. FontStruct lives from sharing and it’s very troubling if designers are withholding good work because of perceived failings in the ratings system. What are people most concerned about? Is it about good fonts being buried? or is it the sense of unfair evaluation? If anyone else would like to say how they see things, I've opened up a thread on the Facebook FontStruct board. Please post there, or send a contact mail with your thoughts using the “i have a problem” category.
Sorry about cluttering up your thread thalamic!
@meek, Em42: Ratings is (are?) one of the reason why I pulled back most of my fonts. I (as I'm sure all of us) have to deal with a lot of crap in our lives and I prefer not to have unknown factors on the internet add to the pile. I FontStruct for the joy of doing it and will only share if that joy is enhanced. Personally, I wouldn't mind if the whole rating system is done away with. It's much better to think my fonts are liked than to have that fanciful thought dispelled with certainty.
I agree with Thalamic (about the pile of crap issue) and I think it's natural to be deceived when you receive some unfair ratings after some passionate hard work (e.g. three 1 votes in a row in an otherwise very appreciated font with diacritics and thousands of bricks).
I suppose there are many correction methods that could be applied to the simple arithmetic mean. For example IMDb uses a mysterious weighted average scheme that seems to consider a lot of parameters.
And I suppose this involves some math that I'm confident the mind behind FontStruct (that's you, Rob :) can easily master.
I'm curious to hear soon some other opinions about this issue, and I hope some other users will join this thread.
After all, i guess, we all like democracy and that's what it simply is. even if haters have a vote as well :)
maybe that's the way it goes
“This is all we are prepared to say and, owing to the way this whole topic tends to result in heated arguments, we cannot enter into any further correspondence on this issue.”
:-)
The great thing about Fontstruct: every day (well, nearly) somebody posts something praiseworthy. I'm not sick of it yet! And not yet sick of thinking up (a.k.a. recycling)ideas myself.
If the voting system changed I wonder if the delicate Fontstruct ecosystem might be disrupted. Australia has cane toads, NZ has possums.
Somebody please tell the irksome spellchecker that Fontstruct is an okay word and that some countries quaintly persist in spelling English as the English spell it.
There. That's my rant off my chest.
One small but significant part of what makes Fontstruct fun is the friendly competition that we all engage in when releasing and reviewing a public font. I believe the ratings system adds to that. Because of its daily fluctuations - like a stock market - the ratings give each of us as designers a completely different (but just as interesting) view of our work then comments posted and fonts downloaded.
That's not to say that there might be a better ratings solution out there. I don't know. But if the ratings system was completely removed I think we would loose a key data point and I might be _less_ inclined to make some of my 'Structions public. If a tree falls in the woods...
@Intaglio: the issue seems to attract attention, but luckily everybody here is still expressing opinions in a polite manner and this has not become an heated argument (yet! :)
@Afrojet: it's true, the rating system is part of the fun, and eliminating it would not be a solution.
@Meek: we return the ball to Thee, father of FontStruct! :)
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