My Composites

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This is my Christmas present to the Fontstruct community.

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    Created on 21st December 2024. Last edited on Sat, 28th June.
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A brief user guide. Just copy and paste the assembled series of bricks. 

The circular dots are spacers I used for making composites. They were eliminated later.

Comment by Frodo7 21st december 2024

This chart shows all the angles between 0 and 45 degrees that My Composites covers. Technically, there are more angles for which we can make composite bricks (e.g., 1:7, 1:9, 1:11, etc.). I left empty slots for them with labels. I think they have little practical use. They are incompatible with other commonly used angles; try to join a 1:7 angle with a 1:3 one. The four-step Nudging function also messes them up. However, should your need arise for such exotic angled bricks, you could easily create them following the examples I left.

Comment by Frodo7 21st december 2024

The list of angles My Composites includes. And a little refreshing of the relevant part of trigonometry.

Comment by Frodo7 21st december 2024

This illustration shows how to use a composite brick series in 8 different orientations. Easy.

Comment by Frodo7 21st december 2024

The second chart with grid at a higher resolution.

Comment by Frodo7 21st december 2024

Now thats gonna save A LOT of people MANY headaces! You're too kind mate. I aleady build a similar toolset, but I think I can copy one or two I didn't had yet, so thanks..

What a well executed and above all, clean looking additional documentation on the physiological end of this tool. Are you sure you're profile is correct? That you are only just an amateur, and not perhaps pro by accidental means? Certainly I couldn't have possibly done it any better, not even close. 10/10

I also did something similar for small grid round geometric forms. as well as pre-fab letter parts at multiple stroke weights, things like shoulders or endings such as serifs, beaks, terminals and finials. But these have such messy brick palettes that after not using one for a while even I have to regain my bearings a bit in case a certain segment required modification to fit a new situation. Neither does every single one of these segments follow the exact same "preset" format standard in relation to which grid positions are occupied or not.. and that can pose compatibility issues in certain brick configurations at 2:2 brick filter.

So in all actuality these tools could potentially help me in many cases, but probably pose more headaces to others. Whereas instead should be to ease up things, not complicate them. And to fix this, or to methodically clean up the brick palettes in order for them to have a more structural system in place that someone could actually understand as well, would require cooking my brain for so long that I would end up like a fried streak.

So these never got published in the end, even though at the time I started these projects, the aim was to develop them into comunity tool sets... #oops

Comment by Sed4tives 22nd december 2024

@Sed4tives: Thank you for your comment. When I decided to share this collection, I thought of you. Since I regularly use your excellent STF_FAUX BEZIER ROTUNDS, the composites of djnippa, and a few other resources, it was prudent to give something back to you. Those brick collections saved me a lot of time.

I am in the middle of a new project that requires special composites. After some research, I discovered many new angles that can be constructed. I organized all of them into a simple system. My finest, sharpest angle at a 1:32 ratio is less than 2 degrees (1.79°). I also realized that some composite series can be made in two ways. One uses half as many bricks as the other, and produces better composites.

There are three larger gaps on the chart I could not conquer: between 1:1 and 5:6, 3:5 and 1:2, and 1:2 and 2:5. They need further exploration.

Comment by Frodo7 22nd december 2024

Wonderful gift, Maestro! Thanks a trillion! You never know when you might need a particular composite brick... Here you are my 1:7.

Comment by elmoyenique 22nd december 2024
Comment by elmoyenique 22nd december 2024

We will continue testing to find and fill any gaps that may be possible in your fantastic tool.

Comment by elmoyenique 22nd december 2024

@ elmoyenique: Thank you for your comment. I left 1:7 blank, not because I could not make it, but because I wanted my brick palette to be less cluttered. You can generate the 1:14 and 2:7 series with the same effort. Have fun.

Comment by Frodo7 22nd december 2024

This meticulous organization is so cool and the explanation a generous bonus. Thank you. 

Comment by thalamic 22nd december 2024

@Frodo7 - Once again, the merging of mathematics and typography makes me smile.  Well researched and executed beautifully.  Truly a gift for us all here on FontStruct, from novice to expert.  Merry Christmas, Frodo7!  :^)

Comment by Goatmeal 22nd december 2024

@thalamic: Thank you for your kind words. This is the least I can give back to you after you have contributed so much to this community (Gridfolk interviews).

@Sed4tives: My profile is correct: I am a proud amateur font creator. Amateur and not professional because I don't get paid for my work here, my income does not depend on my fonstructing activity, and my designs were not commissioned by any third party. The word "amateur" does not refer to quality, at least not in my vocabulary. Most world-class athletes and Olympic champions were amateurs who later became professionals. I do what I do for self-expression and pure joy. Not for remuneration.

Comment by Frodo7 22nd december 2024

@sed4tives

*your

Comment by 7V80Y LCP (digitalio-2) 22nd december 2024

This is great helping tool 10/10. I learned and used various composite slope bricks meanwhile, but sometimes it takes a while to compose them from scratch, especially with 2x2 filtre active. The table with angle conversions makes for great summary, higly usefull when picking closest ratio.

Comment by Peter (Petruuccio) 22nd december 2024

Thanks for sharing this.

Comment by Peter (Petruuccio) 22nd december 2024

@Frodo7: I obviously tried to be funny sarcastic (fail)..

In my scholarly ur portfolio would classify u as a true renegade! —positive connotation

idiosyncrasy of your work is of the charts, investment in crazy technical challenging concepts. Your contribution aren't so much quantifiable in quality measures simply due to the fact that often they are so unique there aren't any examples out there to compare it with! And most definitely I'm a big fan.

Comment by Sed4tives 22nd december 2024

Thanks @Frodo7, a valuable piece of work with excellent background info!

Comment by four 23rd december 2024

Thank you—beautiful work!

Comment by m_cm 24th december 2024

Great news! 2:7 composites have been added. They go between the 3:10 and 1:4 series. The 1:7 composites are also available now.

Comment by Frodo7 Sat, 28th june

There is more. The 4:7 ratio has also been conquered. Naturally, it goes between the 3:5 and 1:2 composites.

Comment by Frodo7 Sat, 28th june

0'5 (1:2) - 0'428571 (4:7) - 0'6 (2:3)

i dont think it would?

Comment by 7V80Y LCP (digitalio-2) Sat, 28th june

*0'6 is 3:5

Comment by 7V80Y LCP (digitalio-2) Sat, 28th june
Comment by Frodo7 Thu, 3rd july

@7V80Y LCP (digitalio-2): My calculations are valid.

1:2= 0.5        4:7=0.5714         3:5=0.6

Comment by Frodo7 Thu, 3rd july

@Frodo7 Mine looks like this after updating Google Chrome, which looks like the one under old in your above "sample", but with the colors slightly darker…

Comment by Bryndan W. Meyerholt (BWM) Thu, 3rd july

@frodo7 just realized that i used the 3:7 calculation instead of 4:7

whoops

Comment by 7V80Y LCP (digitalio-2) Thu, 3rd july

@7V80Y LCP (digitalio-2): The 3:7 ratio would be very desirable, but we don't have it.

Comment by Frodo7 Thu, 3rd july

for that you'd probably need a 7*3 composite

Comment by 7V80Y LCP (digitalio-2) Fri, 4th july
Comment by 7V80Y LCP (digitalio-2) Fri, 4th july

@7V80Y LCP (digitalio-2): Unfortunately, we can't make 7x3 composites. The maximum number of bricks for making composites is 16. 7x3=21 is way beyond that.

I am content with the current limitations of Fontstruct. Limitations mean simplicity and purity. They also call for more creativity, thinking outside the box.

Comment by Frodo7 Sat, 5th july

all possible slopes (i think)

Comment by 7V80Y LCP (digitalio-2) Sat, 5th july

@frodo actually, thanks to the regular 1:2 slope, the composites for slopes could reach 32, but only with even numbers

Comment by 7V80Y LCP (digitalio-2) Sat, 5th july

Your chart is impressive. How did you calculate it?

You confuse the 2:1 and 1:2 slopes. Their angles are not the same (they are 63.435° and 26.565°, respectively). The 2:9, 2:11, 2:13, and 2:15 require 2:1 slopes.

Comment by Frodo7 Sun, 6th july

@frodo apparently i fliped the colors red & green and i am not talking about the angle, they are arranged randomly

as how did i calculate is that i imagined all possible composites from 1*16 to 4*4 and multiply boththe 1st number and the 2nd number separately, like:

3*4 is possible -> 3:4

and with the 1:2 slopes -> (6:4) 3:2, 3:8

Comment by 7V80Y LCP (digitalio-2) Sun, 6th july

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