Very methodical and painstakingly organized. Awesome gift for everyone. Thanks...is not enough.

Another handy FS2.0 angle sampler! Looks like I won't have to post anything after all! ;-) Great job with the layout. This really hits on the importance of organizing the My Bricks panel. Failure to do so can result in serious bewilderment.

I think the inclusion of the 2:3 angle would be beneficial, even though it is harder to visually organize in the My Bricks panel.

Well done here. This is generously gracious of you, Nippa.

This will be very helpful to everybody. Thank you for making this!

A wonderful resource. Thank you!

This IS great. I wonder though, I don't see any 30 degree angles? I'm with Gene here, can these be included as well?

This is really generous of you dj and will be of immeasurable assistance. Thank you so much.

Thank you, DJ. I can now finally start on a font with composites.

this is an incredible gift to the FS community and you are to be commended for producing this. and what a great resource now. fantastic. this also points to another possible collaboration. i'm sure as each of us explores the new FS 2.0 features there could be much more that we could share together. anybody want to start such a collaboration? just a thought. but mucho gracias dj :)

HO!!! this [clone] button is so marvelous!

Merci beaucoup DjNippa

Now no excuse for unsmooth project

Great set, nippa! The Wenger 16999 of Fontstruct... Only way more convenient.;)
Just cloned it... This will save a lot some time.

Thank you for providing this utility font for us. It would certainly make are life easier with FS 2.0. You are a star. 10/10

Correction: make our life... (Stupid, stupid mistake. That's what happens when I write comments without having breakfast first.)

Nice work and very nice of you to share.

I closed the bold tag, so hopefully it will turned off now.

I see what you mean dj, but I just never got how to make these bricks

Not that I don't love all the new possibilities...but things may have gotten too possible now. Nominal angles now supported are: 0, 7, 9, 14, 18, 27, 34, 45, 56, 63, 72, 76, 81, 83, 90 for the first quadrant alone. Pretty soon we will be doing integrals. ;-)

I have a *wild* idea. There could be an option to turn on or off (off by default) automatic smoothing at font generation time. Font Mortar would have to grow up to version 3.0, I know ... but it would mean end of excessive use of composite bricks.

I agree... It's almost scary to see what's possible now. The only limit to bezier imitations is now our patience at scrolling through huge grids. And - even though I must plead guilty, also having given it a little try with my Circle Cult - I think this is not what fontstruct is basically about. The real fascination for me personally comes from the interplay of creativity that has to work its way through the grid and bricks restriction. Going high-res for seemingly smooth curves is a way of circumventing this grid restriction, and even when the results lookstunning, it doesn't fascinate me as much as smart small-grid designs that makes creative use of the given bricks. Insofar I share neurone error's fear of a switch to fonts that are more products of artisanry than of art... (Even when geneus's Futura is very impressive.)

On the other hand it's a way for people who can't afford and/or handle professional font software to realize their non-modular ideas... So nothing wrong about that.

My hope and expectation is that after a time of excited curve-hyperactivity we we'll soon get tired of crolling through 100+ grid sizes and go back to business as usual... Ment in the best way. ;)

I take quite a relaxed attitude on this matter.

FS 2.0 is new ... and there is often a temptation to explore the new within familiar settings. I for one always used to try out new motorbikes and cars on the same stretch of road.

Equally, FS 2.0 is new ... and there are always some who don't instantly embrace what is new.

Many people here are completely conversant with classical fonts so it only natural for them to see what the new toys of 2.0 can do by replicating these well-know designs.

I seriously doubt that anyone has lost the qualities that enabled them to produce new, innovative and exciting designs in the past.

Once we are all familiar with the new bells and whistles we will, inevitably, see a return to green-field thinking ... and we will all have more tools with which to express ourselves.

It's only FS 2.0 ... not the Inquisition :)

@shasta: I completely agree with you. We've discussed this before, but it's worth repeating: Limitations breed innovation. :-)

@p2p: Your innovative and exciting Entrees have wow'd us before. I'm sure you will wow us again, whatever version of fontstruct you choose to employ. :-)

First i wanna thank the efforts of the technical masters to share their science with the low level people, despite the classic fonts copies they make to prove it works. I suggest that after all those gifts to the community, they can think to the ultimate gift, for the very lower next to zero technical level fontstructors : a set of clonable perfect circles and curves ready to use as if they were new bricks, by using simple copy and paste, but maybe it is just a dream...

Sorry i prefere to concentrate on artistic decisions, i'm an artist, not an engineer, what is marvellous with FS is notably its simplicity, but these new aspects are no more simple, this was just a suggestion to make them as simple as the rest... sorry

Thank you for the silly little ugly shapes and patterns, BBBBAAAAHHHH!!!!
My challenges are elsewhere, and i had many of them here, and some were very difficult achievements despite their low technical level, some Fontstructors here like the great Funk King know what i'm talking about, but maybe you think he also is a stupid amateur who has annoyed all the community of real PRO designers making almost 600 fonts of silly little ugly shapes and patterns....

As for me making a "usable working artistic font", have you seen my "Nuclear Warfare" ? I think it responds to the description you made.

Maybe FUNK_KING is light years above me but you can't say there's no comparison between us, we're deeply connected and our inspirational and collaborative work proves it.

Interesting discussion about how far FontStruct should go (higher up the thread). I'd just like to add that there is no automatic smoothing at font generation time. Straight lines will always remain straight lines.

@djnippa : Just to close this tiring discussion : You feel so superior, then Just go to the Real Pro World where they make everyday the kinds of fonts you're trying to make, and see if you still can be so arrogant. I just received a personal kind message from Funk_King saying that i should not be bothered by your aggressive unjustified attitude upon me, and that if you're obsessed by what should be good and fashioned in the present world, as an experimentalist, i look forward, to Future. What i liked when i discovered FS is that we had the liberty here to do something else, more radical, than in the Real world, because we did not have to take care of the branding or fashion contraints and forced to stupid compromises that make our everyday typographic world so uniform and boring. We have nothing to sell here, that's why we can feel free with expanding the typographic limits, sometimes unsuccessfully i admit, but that's the only way to go forward and to open doors. Believe me you and those who read this, this is a far more demanding attitude than just an affair of "silly little ugly shapes and patterns", to quote the great Dj Nippa.

Hey, chill out folks ... as I said earlier 'it's only FS 2.0, not the inquisition.'

Nobody died in the making of any composite brick or circle. Let's get back to the friendly old habit of constructive critism.

Nasty little comments about people who are exploring the new technology in their own way don't help to maintain the positive nature that has always been a feature of this site.

I have tried to respond to some fairly barbed points made by n.e. with humour ... if that fails and it continues - ignore. But whichever way it turns out ... just chill :)

You could even do this as a favour to me - it's my birthday today (67 and I still don't know what I want to do when I grow up!).

@djnippa Thanks for the props on the animated .gif.

As for the other stuff...I think you've hit all the nails on the head.

@p2pnutHappy birthday dude!

I just looked again at the image of all your cominations (on A) ... it looks like a 1950's poster for a ski resort - complete with chalets and conifers.

There ya go nippa ... the artistic side will pop out ;-)

@dj - i do apologize for neurone error disclosing contents of a private message reagarding you. my purpose was to provide moral support, not ammunition. while i may have said aggressive, i didn't save anything about being unjustified per se. it is your right to criticize just as passionately as it is his. i think some have been rubbed the wrong way by neurone. i was hoping to encourage evolution by providing a gentle hand, perhaps your tough love is needed also :)

in any event, like a said before, you are to be thanked for the composite bricks as well as the work derived using them - the magnificenet NDC Bezica series. as well as should aphoria be congratulated for Aurora Light, thalamic for fs STencil 2.0, and geneus for Bezziaire and Xerro, among others. FS is as much a lab as a factory for some. while your remarks may have been somewhat caustic, i hope that neurone is able to deal with them - either use them for growth or discard and continue on the same. in the past, you have also given me pause with your comments - especially about usability - but i know that without your words of advice and those of others, however pointed - i would not be the same designer i have become. thanks.

Congratulations! FontStruct Staff have deemed your FontStruction worthy of special mention. “All Composites saved in MY BRICKS” is now a Top Pick.

thanks a lot for this djnippa !!! i'll take the time to experiment this tools you've create for the community.

@p2pnut: Happy Birthday, Ray!

@DJ Nippa: I hope that you leave your entire conversation online, Nippa. Since this page has been created to support the FontStruct community, let it continue to teach by leaving all the words intact. It teaches on an entirely different level. I've learned much from reading it. I'm generally a peacemaker by nature and non-judgmentally offer the following observations of the lessons learned here, citing behaviors only and not pointing fingers, so that I can get a cumulative view of the bigger picture. Taking into account conversations that have occurred only on this page, here's what I've learned about community etiquette, and also what I consequently vow to never do.

THINGS NOT TO DO FOR A BETTER FONTSTRUCT COMMUNITY

- Attack another fontstructor's character and reputation, especially on a page where they've just shared something that massively helps the community.

- Request more work from a fontstructor, then start an argument when the request is denied, then elevate matters after discovering they don't identify with your work

- Misconstrue the constructive criticism of another, taking it personally, without an effort to gain clarity in a predominantly text-based form of communication where it is easy to misinterpret a message in the original context for which it was meant

- Accuse a fontstructor of being arrogant while saying something that is more arrogant and disrespectful

- Use a friendship to take sides against another, who already has a friendship with the aforementioned second party, in an effort to divide and provoke instead of build community

- Use private communication from a friend as a weapon to aid in an attack against another

- Blast an online feed with what can possibly be described as a new form of spamming

- Feign entitlement, even without having the experience or reputation for acting on the beneficence of the community

- Devalue active members of the community by putting down their work because it doesn't coincide with your agenda

- Tell someone what they can't say, denying them of an opinion

- State that you're ending an argument, then end it with a confrontational statement

And this was primarily just a message to myself for future reference. Here's to a creative, peaceful, and thriving community. Amen. =)

@geneus1 Well put...we would all do well to follow this list...or rather, not follow it. :)

whew...

@thalamic: wonderful illustration! And btw, i really feel you.

@aphoria: ingenious gif!

@p2pnut: don't underestimate the force :)
+ I totally agree with thal, you're outputting awesome stuff, since the moment you popped up. 67 is an age i'd never expected!

@neurone error: It's a fact, that there are several hidden hinds everywhere, relating to YOUR "spamming" way of publishing samples. It's simply not necessary to use such huge pics more than once or twice a font, especially not isolated glyphs. On the other hand, your enthusiasm is overwhelming and it somehow always puts a smile on my face. keep it up, but a little regard on others arts would be just nice and civilised :)

@dj: I just waited for this to happen. Somehow i knew u'd be the one the get this trouble started...
As i remember, we had a harmless collision, as well. Don't get me wrong, i'm not thinking about that anymore :)
If FS had shoulders, YOU'd sit on the true, brutally honest but faithful side, and maybe thal or gene on the other, super politically correct, peaceloving side. Like an angel and a devil.
I like it.
As for the samplefont. thank you! cloned and already used...

@gene: Mate, sorry i didn't ever comment on your interpretation of "gappy"! I just found it days ago by chance. Damn, i'm sooo not community-capable :)
Those 11 commandments should be part of EVERY forum FAQ!

I didn't expect THIS font-thread would turn out like this, but as so often, Gene threw out VERY wise words, again.
Even if i may feel a little guilty in some of the points ( maybe nippa, too :)), i think for some of the opinions it was about time, to be pronounced.

A very educational discussion, i guess...

Hmmm...how is the 2:3 triangle created? I can figure the rest but...dotz...

What about 3:4?

Testing out the underline tag.

Anyways, why only angles and not curves or anything else?

@BanjoZebra: The 3:4 angle is possible if you use the advanced filter setting of 1 Horizontal and 2 Vertical. In addition, the 1:12 and 1:16 angles are enabled, but the 2:3, 6:1 and 8:1 angles are respectively unavailable. Conversely, if you use a filter setting of 2 Horizontal 1 Vertical, you enable the 4:3, 12:1, and 16:1 angles, but disable the 3:2, 1:6, and 1:8 angles respectively.

If you're not well versed on transformational effects of working in the stretched filterspaces, you can quickly become confused of its inner workings. I recommend that djnippa's brick tutorial should be mastered first before delving into anything more advanced. The myriad brick possibilities in the default 1:1 filter are satisfactory for most fontstructions imaginable.

Credit where credit is due: Although I hardly ever use these advanced bricks, whenever I do, they are copied from a clone of this fs. Thanks, djnippa.

¡Gracias, Maestro!

This TOOL is so wonderful in its utility and artful organization. I can really learn a lot from you, here. Thanks! :)

p.s. I wonder the significance of the large and somewhat mysterious block of square bricks at the end of MY BRICKS. Are they other composites that didn’t make the cut and were then substituted out?

I have solved right now ALL THE PROBLEMS WITH FS! thank you, i will grateful for ever..

there are also curves??

there are also ''cheated'' curves? like these angles (sorry for my maccheroni english)

Oh wow... I didn't even know non-square composites were possible, nor deleting blocks in composites!

Thank for doing this!

i found it!wow............awesome

What a fantastic resource, thanks for all the hard work!

Thank you! I have been looking for something like this for a while. I am going to finish my new font now. :)

NOTE: The only possible scales on fs are x:1, x:2, x:3, x:4, x:6, & x:8, because the brix in composites are limited to four.

Oh right. OH RIGHT. OH RIGHT! I almost forgot.

At least with 1x1 filters. So far.

I sent you a related message in your account.

@thalamic: I'm not sure why you'd need 1:0. And how to make 1:7, 9, 14, 18, 27, 34, 45, 56, 63, 72, 76, 81, 83, and 90??? It's as if Meek had a special version of FS just 4 u!!

ANYWAY, I feel like checking my account.

@geneus1: U won't disable 1:6 and 1:8. 1:3 and 1:4 could hop in place. But 2:3 would be eliminated.

@djnippa: Robust additions to an already stellar collection.
@micgio: Great find! I'm surprised it took over a year for anyone to catch that error. I was off in explaining the transposition. You are correct in stating that the 1:6 and 1:8 angles are still available. When utilizing the taller 1:2 filter, all of the regular height dimensions shift to steeper angles. The standard angles of 1:3 and 1:4 are eliminated when they stretch to 1:6 and 1:8. The standard 1:6 and 1:8 angles become 1:12 and 1:16. Again, the converse is also true regarding the wide 2:1 filter setting.

Thanks for these new and awesome bricks! Although I usually prefer to make things with the bricks already at hand, maybe this will help me venture out into the world of compositing. I still don't really get all this mumbo jumbo because i'm 10 years old. Thanks for making this, it's much appreciated among the FS community.

Many thanks! It's very handy :D

Oh no, italic tag isn't closed! now better?

Now this is great! I'm stumped with a few diagonals in my font which otherwise works fine, so I can use these! Means I'll rework spacefurs regular once again and the condensed, extended and monospaced versions need some more attention before release to the public.