Continuing from here.

this is more convenient now, now that no one has to scroll down for +4 minutes

@meek: Thanks, Boss!

@Meek - In order to reduce the number of spam accounts/non-FontStruct-related comments, is there a way to require that a commenter must publish an actual font (containing a minimum number of glyphs) and not just create a blank/empty font page then comment there?  I know this might be a hinderance for new commenters who simply want to give an actual compliment or critique, it might also reduce the spam comments found in others' fonts...

@goatmeal good idea

@elmoyeniqye can you help to complete a never completed font by Aiden? Its Western font and your good making this type of Fonts.

My case in point for restricting commenting for non-font creators:
3389design

No font for the page, but a lot of spam in the description and comment...  :^(

Oops!  Page was removed before I could even complain!  ;^D

PLZ...I need help!

@JeycoMonge: What kind of help do you need? Could you be more specific?

I need help completing all the letters in a font created by AidenFont, as it is not completed.

Some letters are not completed (Lowercases K, M, N, V, W, X, Y, Z, uppercase letters but idk if im going to use it, numbers and signs.

@JeycoMonge: Well, since you've built 63 fonts here, I'm assuming you already know how FS works: brick by brick, there's no other way.
     For the specific letters you're asking for help with, you can do something like this: achieve K by using R and doubling and reversing the slash, N by using H and the forward slash of R, M can be obtained with two Ns by reversing the second, Z can be an inverted S with squared corners. For the rest, I can't think of anything useful at the moment.
     You'll have noticed that it's a font with an unusual filter ratio (1:2) that limits or prevents true quarter-circle curves. It also has different widths and two different ways of making the central serifs, which makes the letters look uneven and somewhat messy. You could take some sheets of squared paper and redraw each of the glyphs to your liking, then recreate them in FS. Perhaps it would be easier to start a new font with your own choices (even if you base it on Aiden's) rather than continue with the one already started. You can visit any of my western fonts to browse ideas and ask us in the forums any questions you may have about the more specific construction of any of your new letters.
     Otherwise, I have little to add. I sincerely hope these comments can be of some help to you.
     (P.S. I can write to you in Spanish, if you'd like. And how we say in Spain: "¡Suerte y a torear!")

@JeycoMonge: Btw, look at this nice recreation by Peter (Petruuccio).

Its Fantastic but the font is the same by Aiden, okay the first time we i see this font is when i start in FS in my other account, later i seeing the top picks, i search Western tag and later i see a western font created by Aiden i like but i didnt copied. In yesterday i see the AidenFont account of fonts (The western font is a Unnamed) I search unnamed and i see some fonts copied, and some fonts that Aiden himself made.

Is this really the forum?
Can the staff please make FontStruct not suck?  Let us edit and delete our comments.  How is one expected to find this forum, thru Live?  Why is the scroll bar the same hue as the background but to be more user-foely?

If this is also the thread for requests
I need someone with a Sega Saturn and NAOMI to put up the awful filename fonts from those.  They squash lowercase at random and must be the worst UI fonts with lowercase I'v ever seen.

@alydexia this is the forum (can u read)

change to dark mode in your browser/os to avoid the scroll bar fade in

there's a search bar in the gallery, you can search the forum there

you can delete and edit comments, only on your fonts, and only in 1 hour since upload

this is not the request threas afaik

@alysdexia - This is a continuing comment page for suggestions to improve the overall FontStruct experience, not for general complaints or requests.  If you have a complaint, contact Rob Meek directly.  If you see a FontStruct or FontStructor you like, comment on the font page or message them directly with your request.  This is not the place.

FontStruct is a font-making website, not a chat room.  There is no true "forum" page, like so many other websites have (or had).  And the option to edit/delete comments was removed years ago, likely to prevent abuse. 

Though you've been a member for almost 9 years, you have not shared a single font.  You may be making them for your own personal use, and that is certainly your right to not published them publicly.  However, it's a little difficult to take complaints like these seriously when there has been so little interaction over so many years (aside from the stray comment here or there).

Is it me or are some of the gallery samples not loading again?

@bwm told meek about that yesterday, and also the fact that download & saves didn't work

should fs have frutiger aero/metro ui?

Another case in point for restricting commenting for non-font creators:
bizmodo

Not a single glyph made for the page, but lots of business spam in the description...  :^(

i think everyone needs a dark mode

@meek Unicode 17 just released. I was wondering when support for it will be added?

new unicode just dropped

also picnic plates has published a non edited clone of probably 12 fonts arleady

@meek i cant clone it gives me a 403 forbidden error

@Tv boy aero (digitalio-2) - Again, this forum is for suggestions, not complaints.  Please contact Rob directly with a personal message or by using the following link: FontStruct Contact

Maybe brick scaling in addition to rotation, flipping, and nudging, where you can scale individual bricks, which will allow even more slopes, but probably difficult to use due to how individual brick scaling works.

goodbye :'(

Goodbye, digitalio-2!
We'll miss you!
2024-2025

I don’t know if Unicode 17.0 support came to FontStruct yet, since I haven’t opened the FontStructor yet.

Hello, i creating a recently fontstruction and i completed the uppercase A, but whatever the case. With a brick that I created, I also wanted to invert it but I couldn't and created many bricks inverted. Is there a method or a tool that can work?

JeycoMonge unfortunately not yet

a lot of people want it

@JeycoMonge - You could always make a composite to get what you need (I asusme you want the inverse of the far-right brick): turn on Expert Mode, make the shape to include what you want *plus* extras to fill-out the shape, highlight all 16 bricks, then make the composite (Keyboard shortcut = Shift+G).  Next, hold Shift while selecting the new composite brick from My Bricks on the left side of the screen, then use the Erase tool to eliminate the extraneous/unwanted square bricks.

Okay, Goatmeal and thank you.

@JeycoMonge - You are most welcome.  :^)  Composites are an EXTREMELY powerful tool in FontStruct, but the trick is that you must not only consider WHAT you want to create in the end, but also what you need to INCLUDE -- then ERASE -- from the resulting Composite brick.

Not turn this into a tutorial, but you can make a composite brick out of up to 16 other bricks:

• 1 wide × 2 tall or 2 wide by 1 tall (2 bricks)

• 2 wide × 2-8 tall maximum or 2-8 wide by 2 tall (4–16 bricks)

• 3 wide × 3-5 tall maximum or 3-5 wide by 3 tall (9–15 bricks)

• 4 wide × 4 tall (16 bricks)

That's Great! So I'll have to do that and I also have help from other functions (I learned some things in the FontStruct editor and sometimes I use them) Thanks again and I'll remember your advice.

@JeycoMonge - Feel free to ask any question you have for any font you are working on. :^)

CORRECTION: You are not limited to ONLY 2 bricks in the first entry; you can have up to 16 bricks × 1 brick (for a maximum of 16):

• 1 wide × 2-16 tall maximum or 2-16 wide by 1 tall (2–16 bricks)

Thanks for all the help, I will not hesitate to ask, my friend.

By the way, that font I created was a test to see how I could create my own font and maybe I could do that with my other fonts... Good Help by You, Goatmeal :D

By the way, that font I created was a test to see how I could create my own font and maybe I could do that with my other fonts... Good Help by You, Goatmeal :D

And here _IS_ my tutorial:

Composite Sizes - Tutorial

why not make a fontstruct app?

https://fontstruct.com/fontstructions/show/2763440/kaiyun-font

hey guys what is this thing for? comments are closed so i cant ask there

How can I remove a glyph from a FontStruction?

@ctcg_ - Erasing every brick for a particular glyph should remove it from the FontStruction.

You might also need to do Clear Empty Glyphs to make sure it's removed from the font's data.

gallery samples broken again for newly created or recently changed fonts

I want the Unicode block list on the FontStructor to update to Unicode 17.0 (which is released a few months ago).

I wanna make 4x4, 5x5, 8x8 and 10x10 circles and rings without having them look angular nor using the 2x filter. can you please make a set of tiles for my request? It's for a future font named "FontBall Number Count", based off the 70's animated pinball classic on Sesame Street. 1-2-3 4-5, 6-7-8 9-10, 11-12!

@Xx-DavidFontDoge-xX - The FontStructor might look too cluttered your suggestion of bricks are added; with it, the FontStructor might be little more “non-beginner-friendly”.

Maybe we can put the "circle and ring" tiles I suggested in a new category named "Bricks: Circles and Rings" so the "beginner friendly" tiles show up non-cluttered in "Bricks: Core". Any reccomendations on how to make a 5x5 circle without having it look angular nor using the 2x2 filter?

@Xx-DavidFontDoge-xX - The problem with your request is that it for a highly-specific purpose requiring a tremendous number of new bricks.  My estimation is that the formula for a completely new sets of bricks for each circle is:

# of bricks = 4 * (n – 1), where n = the size of the circle

For example, if it is a 4×4 circle, then n = 4

So, your requests would require the following completely new unique bricks:

4×4 = 12 new bricks

5×5 = 16 new bricks

8×8 = 28 new bricks

10×10 = 36 new bricks

It might be more manageable with making fewer new bricks (as shown in the picture I have attached), then relying on flipping, mirroring and rotating the bricks.  The formula(s) for that would be

# of minimized bricks = n ÷ 2, for even numbered-sizes

and

# of minimized bricks = (n+1) ÷ 2, for odd numbered-sizes

4×4 = 2 new bricks

5×5 = 3 new bricks

8×8 = 4 new bricks

10×10 = 5 new bricks

Also, how could you separate / categorize / differentiate the bricks of 8×8 circle from those of a 10×10 circle?  Certainly they would likely look similar to the average user...

Eh. I'll scrap 8x8 and 10x10 completely to avoid confusion between the two lads. Also, my other font (DogeBork Regular, WIP) has a metric of 1 block/pixel/brick/whatevryacallit thick 5x5 circles, and I'm making a third font based off some of the tutorial pics - To be exact the "make a composite" ones where a 4x4 "A" and "B" are shown as examples. 4x4 and 5x5 would work perfectly on their own. So, as a result of this, I'll only scrap 8x8 and 10x10 to make life easier.  

How can I override the FontStructor block list? It doesn't work for me

Honestly, I think we need brick subtracting.

@ctcg_ You can access every single block in Unicode 17 as of writing this, just enable Expert Mode if it is not already, then turn on Unicode Sets.

Happy FontStructing!

thanks for including my image :)

@bwm i think he meant the brick list as in "my bricks"

When I donloaded normalpixel CTCG, a thousand glyphs disappear. The font contains 4,137 glyphs but the downloaded version contains 3,007.

@goatmeal FS could always create a new tab for angles (like the already existing Core/Connect Division.) Whatever the case, we need more vanilla blocks.

we could for sure use mirrored 1/8 arcs. come on, that is only 4 new bricks.

My WIP font (still not available) doesn't kern the parentheses/brackets correctly. Can you fix it @meek? Thank you very much.

you could use the kerning window, and type () and kern that

@meek I want to report a glitch I keep running into: I can't edit letter spacing on some fonts for some reason. I don't know if they're too large, which is strange, as all the one that get affected are Pixel Optimized.

But why does the bottom still appear wrong?

And can you please add kanji sorting from most used to least used? See more.

@meek why were all fonts from veritas deleted?

whats this?

i can't clone, it gives me a 403 forbidden error

@newcurvenbig no lol, he'll do it how unicode says it

hey if anyone can tell me how to access deleted fonts it'd be appreciated (*a backup may be retained for up to 30 days)

@Luis Becerra (VeritasFonts) - Contact Rob Meek directly (@meek), either by a personal message or using the Support tab -> Contact option.

In order to reduce lag, I would like Unicode blocks with >1024 characters to be split into blocks of 1,024.

@ctcg_ that would be very hard, as fontstruct uses actual unicode blocks. Plus, much of the computing power required to do so would be wasted on planes F and 10 (supplementary private use areas A and B)

Maybe the blocks >1,024 characters could also be collapsible?

@ctcg_

this has already been discussed

Some suggestion for the ''§'' glyph? Or not?

@elmoyenique Thanks, this design is better than the other.

I noticed that when I'm editing one of my fontstructions, the grid square under the cursor is gray instead of white, for some reason. Anyone know why this is or if it can be changed? I couldn't find anything in the settings. It only appears in one fontstruction.

@V. Sarela Did you by any chance press Ctrl + Shift + H?

@BWM That seems to be the case, it disappeared now. Thanks!

Why do we have a warning popup when publishing a clone?

How I can fill this nudged part of a glyph?

@ctcg It's because for unaltered or minimally altered clones, this font may be deleted.

Publishing unaltered, or minimally altered clones of other people’s work may lead to temporary or permanent platform bans.

Hello, does anyone know why (on some of my fonts) i can't edit letter width? did I press something or is it a glitch?

I think you mistakenly pressed Shift+J and locked your guides. Width belongs to them.

@Petruucio Thanks, what a lifesaver! I never clicked Shift+J though, so I don't know what happened.

How to do 2:3 angles?

Any not premade angles can be arranged using composite bricks in expert mode

Check this template made by Frodo

How can I do half and quarter arcs?

When I try going to BlockKie's page (Nelvetica 2 or Block Kie Uni, both are BlockKie), I get a 500 error.

Another gentle reminder: This is a continuing comment page for suggestions to improve the overall FontStruct experience, not for general complaints or requests.

• If you have a complaint or encounter an error with the website, please contact Rob Meek by using the Contact option found under the Support tab or by messaging him directly.

• If you have a question pertaining to font/brick creation or using the website ("How do I... ?"), please use the comment section of your own FontStruction page to request guidance.  The FontStruct community is always willing to assist a fellow FontStructor.  :^)

@Petruuccio his name is Tibor, not Frodo

How can I do links in a fontstruction's description?

2.- click on the cain button (next to bold & italic)

3.- type what you want to say in display text and link in URL

4.- you should get this, and you can bold or italicise it. @ctcg

*chain

@veritas ok i deserved that, i tried rickrolling you 2 times

I suggest a WOFF download format, for web use, especially in systems in which WOFF2 is not supported.

could there be a way so that when you download a font, the glyphs past BMP (u+00xxxx) could be typed? because it says that there aren't glyphs there (and it says that there is glyphs in plane 14 [SSP] but there never was???)

@elliqvl I normally see glyphs outside BMP in downloaded FontStructions.

(woah I have a lot of typefaces in my Mac)

oh well that explains it all (i use win11)

I understand someone has already suggested this, but was wondering if the inclusion of stylistic sets and other alternates (i.e. lining/proportional/tabular/oldstyle figures, discretionary ligatures) are still on the table?

@faux_icing What do you mean? Do you need glyphs that aren't in FontStruct?

@TypoMan Foundry: Stylistic alternates let a single letter have different design options. For example, the letter “a” can also appear as a single-storey version (“ɑ”) that users can choose to use instead. This feature is available in other font editors, but FontStruct currently does not support it, as far as I know. (Image sample from here.)

The current workaround I have seen is that users can either place alternate glyphs in other character slots of a different glyph. Otherwise, like what I have done, is to create a whole new font file 

Okay, if you want ligatures you should go to Menu of the FontStructor (with Expert Mode actived) Go to ''Advanced'' and active ''Unicode Letter Sets'' and go to ''Halfwidth and Fullwidth Forms''. In this glyph set, Sed4tives uses the set for some alternatives.

@faux_icing I last asked Meek that, and he said it's in the plans to add support for these. Hopefully this also includes named glyphs.

Last time I*

I would like to see the Private Use Area broken into many allocations (got allocations from here, with a roadmap found here). 

My other suggestions:

• Increase the maximum file size from 1 megabyte to 2.5 megabytes

• Impose a limit to how many glyphs a FontStruction can have (65,535 glyphs) to ensure functionality

@ctcg_ Not every single font that has characters in the Private Use Area has the same mapping.

Example: My usual PUA mappings (7 segment displays and arbitrary fraction characters) are different for proportional and monospace fonts, with arbitrary nth root characters placed in U+E1Ax for proportional and U+E4Ax for monospace, if I do the other math operators.

Also, the glyph count here does not include the .notdef, .null/NULL, nonmarkingreturn/CR characters.

@BWM Yes, fonts that have PUA characters have different mappings. (For example, Font A only cho Under-ConScript Unicode Registry allocations in the Private Use Areas, but Font B scatters icons around the Private Use Area)

My typical PUA encoding scheme follows the Under-ConScript Unicode Registry, with significant additions. (For example, variious nonstandard Latin extensions are placed in the PUAs)

I'll choose to keep the PUA as we see in FontStruct.

I meant puts, not cho.

Also, I meant various, not variious.

what about changing the font in the fontstructor to unifont, so that we can see how some characters (like some from SMP) should look like

@elliqvl: That wouldn't work for users who do not have Unifont.

@ctcg_ that's not how this works: i don't have the arizona font (the one used in the glyphs page) but i still see it [see sample]

@ctcg_ it could be that in mac you do need it although idk if it works like that since i don't have a mac

any suggestions for the 8 glyph?

A gentle reminder: The FontStruct Suggestions Forum is for improving the overall FontStruct experience.  Please use the comment section of your own FontStruction page to request specific guidance.

ideas for new tools

could the unicode names be used for the ones currently without names?

A few suggestions to fix things that currently irk me when editing, especially when making monospace fonts:

- Being able to lock the extra guides seperately from the width/height guides. For many glyphs I often need to adjust the letter width, but I also have extra guides enabled and if the width guide lines up exactly with an extra guide it moves the extra guide instead of the width guide.
- Being able to change how precisely or how coarsely the guides snap to. I only ever adjust the guides to integer numbers of bricks (and since many of my fonts are monospace, it is often even coarser than that), but when adjusting the guides I need to be accurate to within 1/8 of a brick. This would also be useful for fonts with alignments based on non-power-of-two fractions of brick width such as 1/3 or 1/5 of a brick.
- Being able to cut, copy, paste, and delete entire glyphs in one keystroke, including spacing data. A lot of times I have to move or copy glyphs between different ranges of Unicode (which requires the keystrokes A X or A C for each source glyph, and doesn't copy over spacing data so I have to readjust each destination glyph's width) or delete a range of glyphs (which requires the keystrokes A X for each glyph, and doesn't delete spacing data)
- A better font for glyph previews that covers more of Unicode, such as Noto Sans, as well as fallback glyphs for PUA characters.

@erictom333 I agree with your suggestions except for the fallback fonts one.

Speaking of guides, the line height guides also currently set winAscent and winDescent, which causes clipping on Windows and certain software. I feel as if it should set typoAscender and typoDescender instead, and also set bit 7 (USE_TYPO_METRICS) in fsSelection, and set WinAscent and WinDescent to the top and bottom most points of the font.

I want to message Rob Meek to request square with corners font

@FontOutForum - It would help if you can show/attach a picture of what the brick you desire would look like.  You might be able to create it as a composite, as it is highly unlikely Rob will add a single new brick at the request of a lone FontStructor...

Alternately, you can contact Rob directly under the Support tab at the top right (Support > Contact).

"square with corners" doesn't make seense, given that squares already has corners

Cannot create font includes square with corners The font here: https://fontstruct.com/fontstructions/show/2898214/evertt

they're finally doing something about spam! (fontstruct.com/live)

also the new comment UI is cool, but italics don't show up and the rich-text flyout block the add sample button, also it would be nice to have underlined and strikethrough text

and we're able to eddit any of our comments, rather than just comments from your fonts

I want to request font to create square with color font on Staff Picks

+ how are you supposed to edit descriptions now???????? (+ @FontOutForum is speaking absolute nonsense)

Don't create this font

@18man - Click on the description text area of your font, and an edit box will show around it.  Update your description as desired, then click outside the box to “save” the changes.  It's just like making a comment, but there is no “submit” button.

@18man If the description is empty, then you need to move the cursor around until it becomes an I-beam. It should be somewhere above the C in created.

I'm not sure whether this is a bug or an intended feature, but I can't seem to copy a layer of bricks from a colour font project into a non-colour font project. Copying bricks/glyphs between two non-colour font projects works without any issues, however.

It would be very useful to have the ability to copy glyphs from a colour font project into a non-colour font project, as it would make transferring and reusing existing work much more convenient.

I'm also wondering whether the ability to clone colour fonts is available only to FS Patrons. I'm not currently a Patron, which is why I'm asking. If this functionality isn't available yet, it would be great to see support for cloning colour fonts in the future. Of course, I completely understand if such a feature is intended to be exclusive to FS Patrons.

@faux_icing Creating and cloning colour fonts is a patron-only feature. There are currently no plans to change that.

@meek: Perfectly understood. Regarding the ability to copy glyphs from a colour font project into a non-colour font project, is that functionality also limited to FS Patrons?

To clarify, I'm not expecting the colour information itself to be transferred. I'd simply like to reuse the constructed glyphs from my Colourcomp project by copying them into a non-colour project, where they would function as standard black-and-white glyphs. This would make it much easier to repurpose existing work without having to rebuild the glyphs from scratch.

thx, @goatmeal and @bryndan

@faux_icing It sounds like you have a specific use case. Send a contact mail telling me which FontStruction of yours you’d like to copy from, and I’ll see what I can do.

Fontstruct desperately needs kerning groups. In my latest font, I spent a total of 70 hours kerning each and every instance of characters with the same main shape, just different diacritics. We need to be able to assign them to groups (such as “V, W, Ẃ, Ẇ” together in a group), and kern the groups with other groups rather than kerning every single character in 1 group with every single character in the other.

This just isn’t sustainable. Unless I go back to making amateurish unkerned fonts, I’ll have to quit in the interests of my health.

I'm with @TH3_CON-MAN about the kerning groups.

Agreed about kerning groups. It would save tons of time for people who make fonts with very large character sets. (Example: Some glyphs were changed in a font that already has thousands of kerning pairs. The designer would have to manually find and change every single pair in the font. The amount of time this takes scales exponentially as the number of kerned glyphs grows. With kerning groups, the amount of time isn't as much as the designer would need to change a few values, and they apply for all the other glyphs in each group)

The FontStructor could also have a window that shows a list of all kerning pairs (or a matrix for kern groups)

That would be great, IMHO.

you can't edit composites on mobile

@faux_icing it is possible layer by layer. if you turned off all layers but one, you could use selection tool (not the A shortcut) to select just that visible layer, press C and in new non-color fonstruction paste with V.

@Petruuccio: Ohh! So that's how it works. I managed to get the ‘A’ shortcut working as well with this method last night. Thanks for the info, appreciate it. ^_^

@petruccion isn't that just for FS patrons?

also it's on mobile, you can't "transfer" composites like that…

for now, if you don't have FS patrons, you just have to deal with it

hold on if it's a FontStruct non-commercial license then why does it tell me that downloads are disabled? and why am i still able to download this font?

font: “Automa” by lvh 

and why does the live page have a fifth of the messages that it used to

I wish fontstruct had some great improvements that were suppoesed to exist earlier

Also i want fontstruct to have a dark mode which was supposed to exist earlier.

Font in this picture I made is Odin Rounded

@meek: I don’t know if you’re still working on the site, but things seem to be broken on mobile still. Not any glaring technical issues that I can see, but the UI is quite questionable.

That same thing happened on desktop site. What happened to some of the icons? Like the icon names/graphics being swapped around?

also why do fontstructions without top picks have a grey star in their page? wouldn't that make it so that they appear the same to some colourblind people? (there's one type of colourblindness that makes it everything black and white, i recall)

They also made the gallery look worse. Today it had a bunch of errors. They also locked the number of votes on a fontstruction to the vote breakdown page and removed the “i” icon next to the heart icon.

Also I agree to the errors. Like why do they swap the search icon with the pencil? Also why is there a star that crossed outside its designated position?

Also, italics don't even work in that box for me because I see “Lucida Grande” font.

Disclamer: I am not hating on or harassing any person.

Second picture if you're interested

@ctcg_ given that trying to contact you gives me a 403 forbidden error, i'm gonna ask you here: can you make some kind of forum here in fontstruct for the FSWiki whenever it undergoes maintenance (like right now)?