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it's like deco-mono :) very fresh.
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it's like deco-mono :) very fresh.
@zzkokirikidzz: Thanks!
@funk_king: A favorable review from a superstar designer like you means a lot to me. I appreciate the kind words!
Oh my goodness! Seriously cool.
Awesome. It generates nice interference patterns at different sizes. With this font you are a superstar too. 10/10
Gorgeous Glyphs!
And I agree with Frodo: it does create a nice Moiré effect at different sizes.
That is beatiful ... a tour de force of the first order. Shame I can only give it a 10.
There are some real gems there such as the * and #
Sorry to sound so harsh but, at last a font that isn't like every other font you've designed.
Are you going to do a non mono spaced font as an option?
If so I'd decrease the SPACE key to make it just over half the letter width. Also have you thought about making M & W should be wider.
Amazing!
Incredible. Agree with p2pnut, the * is top notch. Bravo.
Great! With the big G. And I have a question: This isn't one of these times to make it top pick?
I love it, congrats !
Sweetness. I love the way the the curves look like highlights.
Wowee-Zowee! 10 points.
@thalamic: Thanks, Ata! You know how much I value your opinion.
@Frodo7: Coming from you, this is so important to me! I can't stop grinning.
@cayo: Thanks to you as well!
Cheers, pnut! * and # are my favorites, too.
P.S. We've got to stop meeting like this! :)
@djnippa: Yes, many of my fonts are octagonal, though I've tried experimenting with different proportions and weights. As for a non-monospaced variant, I don't think I have the patience to try it. The grid for each glyph is 95 x 57 bricks, by far the largest I've attempted. I actually had to delete at least 20 glyphs, because the editing kept malfunctioning. I even tried splitting it into two fonts, but that did not go well either. So thanks for all your suggestions, but this font will have to remain an only child.
This concept is a winner. I encourage you to develop it further to a small font family. Add more weight and make a heavy and superfat version; or do a narrow as well as extended version. You can also experiment with slab serif, or outline varieties and see if they work. Good Luck.
@jmarquez, afrojet, chavez ravine, igorrossi, aphoria and SquarePeg: all of you are responsible for spectacular FontStructions that occupy a level far above mine, so thanks to everyone for your positive feedback. (And now the score for this font is a "sitting duck" for yet another visit from the font troll!)
@Frodo7: I really appreciate your encouragement; however, please see my response to djnippa. I don't know how many technical problems you experienced while creating your wonderful Escher fonts, but I spent countless hours trying to improve this font's existing glyphs, only to find that the FontStructor simply refused to save the changes. Eventually, I was forced to release the font as it now stands to save my sanity. While I'm pleased with the result, I'm unwilling to put myself through more of that torture!
You can read about my struggles with FS when I worked on Hommage à Escher and Gestalt (fragment). I had my share of frustrations, but so did others you've listed above, I'm pretty sure. There was a time when I felt I just want to quit and never to return to FS. I'm glad I persevered. NO PAIN, NO GAIN.
P.S.: I hope the links work properly.
Congratulations! FontStruct Staff have deemed your FontStruction worthy of special mention. “Bevel'sAdvocateMono” is now a Top Pick.
@gferreira: Thanks for the Top Pick! You made a good day even better.
@chavez ravine: Thanks for your suggestion that this font should be a Top Pick! It happened yesterday.
M, R, and W have been tweaked.
5 has been reworked to correct a large design inconsistency.
Looking at it again, it seems even better than before. The PXL view is heart-stopping. Please include auto-defibrillation glyphs in your follow-up masterpiece.
@thalamic: It's very kind of you to come back to this font almost two months later to post a second compliment! I really appreciate your generosity.
@thalamic: We FontStructors owe you a huge debt of gratitude for discovering that our work is now being featured on the web pages of instantShift.com!
Because of your tip, I happened to notice that Bevel'sAdvocateMono was shown incorrectly, with spaces separating the three words. I sent them a message yesterday, and this morning they responded that the error has been fixed. I know this was a only small matter, but it was important to me that my font's name be presented properly.
So thanks again for informing us about the exposure of our fonts at instantShift.com!
@thalamic: We FontStructors owe you a huge debt of gratitude for discovering that our work is now being featured on the web pages of instantShift.com!
Because of your tip, I happened to notice that Bevel'sAdvocateMono was shown incorrectly, with spaces separating the three words. I sent them a message yesterday, and this morning they responded that the error has been fixed. I know this was a only small matter, but it was important to me that my font's name be presented properly.
So thanks again for informing us about the exposure of our fonts at instantShift.com!
It's no big deal, Dan. I saw it and just thought you'd like to know; that's all. Glad you got a kick out of it.
This is a list of FS fonts I've collected from www.instantshift.com.
attempa - Intaglio
encyclic - Intaglio
ameba - kekeh
Cedar - kekeh
ariapenciroman - kix
Bevel'sAdvocateMono - fontcollector
Comitto - jmarquez
Chocobot Stacked - LexKominek
Elspeth - Frodo7
Faramir - Frodo7
Foldstruct - emepar7
Heavy Diacritics - CMunk
hi-fi deco - funk_king
track filled - funk_king
Whipped Cream - funk_king
IR Summer Games - igorrossi
Kunchey - chr.s
Opine Sans Bold - aphoria
Razz - jhejka
RM Romantic - p2pnut
Samoa - Magic Sam
Samoa Ultrabold - Magic Sam
Shadow - Magic Sam
Scanographia - cayo
ThM_Freaktur - thm_go
Congratulations to everyone! Fontstruct is in the mainstream now.
What?!
but it's not ready yet!!!
^_^
Sorry fontcollector, I had a forum glitch.
Congrats to all my fellow FSors.
Congratulations one and all - it's satisfying to see our work become more widely known.
Let's not forget a big thank you to Captain Meek and his crew for making it possible :)
@Frodo7: Bravo to you as well! And thanks for compiling the list of fonts displayed at instantShift!
@cayo: Thanks, and the same to you! No problem concerning the glitch. I've had a few of them, too.
@p2pnut: Cheers to you also! And I heartily endorse your tip of the hat to Mr. Meek and company!
Bevel'sAdvocateMono has now been included on more font lists!
1. tripwiremagazine.com's "65+ Currently Some of the Best Free Fonts Available!" may have an awkwardly worded title, but I'm still flattered that my work is being displayed there.
2. "50 Best Free Fonts From 2009" appears at creativenerds.co.uk and is similar to other articles on this subject.
3. My font also showed up on a Japanese site named Hatena. There are no graphic samples for the fonts listed there.
For downloading purposes, these three sites link directly to my font's page here at FontStruct.
4. This is not the case, however, for a Russian font archive called eGraphic. It appears that one must register in order to download any fonts or obtain authorship data. Since I don't know the language, I decided not to sign up. But based on the graphic representation of my font, I'm certain they found it at dafont.com, an excellent French archive where I registered it last month.
I apologize for blowing my own horn, but I'm just not accustomed to this kind of attention!
This font doesn't work for me. I only have the letter F available. Any suggestions?
@jiggawhooo: I don't know why my font won't work on your computer, unless you have a Mac. You could try going to www.dafont.com, where it has been downloaded over 21,000 times since November 26.
Thanks for your interest, and I hope you'll let me know if this solves the problem.
New lowercase (small caps) and several symbols were added today. If you're interested, please download the latest version!
@jiggawhooo: I may have the solution to the problem you've been experiencing with this font. Since only the letter F was available to you, I'm guessing that it was actually the F from the logo of FontStruct. If so, that's because my font had no lowercase glyphs. There are some applications in which all missing characters are represented by that FontStruct F.
Anyway, your question inspired me to add the lowercase today, so thanks for giving me the idea. I hope you'll try downloading the new version to see if it works for you!
Good work on the small caps! I prefer their proportions vs. the proper caps as these ones feel even sturdier which fits well with the octagonal construction. Comparing K to k, R to r, and N to n shows how the available angles work best in this new approach.
The monospaced feature, a notable hallmark of your work, still limits the balance you can achieve between characters. Particularly, the balance between the uppercase and small caps seems off. The caps now feel too narrow to me, and characters like L and M feel either too wide or too compressed in both upper and lowercase. Will you tell us more about your intriguing monospaced approach?
I want to acknowledge again what a sizable grid you worked with to create this one. The small caps hint to some very reliable copy>paste>edit techniques allowing one to squash down (or pull and stretch) characters without deforming or destroying their essential corner and intersection details much, if at all.
@Will: Long ago, I decided that I wasn't going to screw around with this font. It's easily my best and most detailed work, and I'll never be able to surpass it. I'm the first to admit that all my other fonts are about geometry, not art. But this one has been received more enthusiastically than I ever expected!
Still, I've always been somewhat dissatisfied with two or three of the original glyphs, especially the lower-right corner of the N. My first attempt to correct this problem was to increase the width of every glyph. N, K, and R were the main beneficiaries of this move; however, some of the other characters, including X and 8, were far less appealing to me with the wider stance. Also, I was not able to download the new version successfully, due to FontStruct's limitations at the time. So that was the end of that series of revisions.
As FontStruct's ability to handle huge fonts was increased, I began to think that I should try again to fix my font's problem areas. Since I had no lowercase, I used the copy-and-paste technique to turn the original caps into a set of small caps, and I increased the height of the new uppercase glyphs accordingly. Of course, now the ugliness of the N became even more pronounced, so I aborted the whole effort. Besides, I've noticed that when the height grows beyond some undefined point, the whole font is rendered half as large as before in any given point size. For me, this font's beveled angles show best at the largest possible print size, 72 points.
Recently, a user commented that my font wouldn't work for him, since all he got was the letter F. It suddenly hit me that maybe he was seeing the F from FontStruct's logo, since it often represents missing glyphs, like the lowercase I hadn't produced. That was what motivated me to try one more set of revisions.
Incidentally, your jettletter font received the same type of comment, and when I saw that this user also got nothing but F, I realized that your font's lack of an uppercase might be behind that problem, too. You can see my response on your font's home page.
You're correct about the scale of my font. The grid height is 95, and the width is 57. (More about that later.) This makes stretching or compressing glyphs somewhat complicated, since it's impossible to see an entire glyph on the screen. And if you wish to use keyboard shortcuts, then you can't employ the full-view option, which makes things even more difficult. The only solution is to highlight and move parts of each glyph until you've finally assembled it in its new position. During this process, you have to move the grid with the hand tool over and over. Then, you must fill in any gaps that were created by the move.
I'm well aware that my monospacing fetish limits what I can do with various characters, but once I've committed to a fixed-width format, I'm totally obsessive. It doesn't mean that I won't change a font's dimensions when necessary, because I always seem to use the trial-and-error method for determining glyph size. In this case, I figured out that for all the lines inside the glyphs to meet properly, I had to use an odd-numbered width, and I kind of stumbled upon 19 blocks for each vertical and horizontal stroke. The 57-block width came from 19 X 3, while the 95-block height is 19 X 5. I liked the proportions this achieved, and from there I just had to make the glyphs fit. The hardest thing was deciding which set of diagonals would work best for each glyph, and you can bet I made many false starts until I was sufficiently pleased with my results. I know that M and W may not be ideal at any height, but that's how it goes with my monospacing technique.
I believe I've addressed all your comments, probably in far greater detail than you wanted. Most of all, you should know that I'm so grateful to you and many others for the words of encouragement, and for the constructive criticism as well. Thanks!
Regarding keyboard shortcuts in full screen mode...open a new tab in your browser and then put the browser in full screen mode. Then, switch back to your fontstruct tab. You will have a full screen editor AND keyboard shortcuts.
I'm using FireFox on Windows, but I imagine this should work with other browsers and operating systems.
@aphoria: The brickstacker in me salutes your inventive workaround.
@fontcollector: I very much appreciate the detailed response! I can well understand the difficulty of trying to briefly (or otherwise) communicate the challenges and successes of the fontstructing process. New things are sometimes easy to see and often very hard to describe. Mammoth accomplishments, like this fontstruction, conceal within their polished details untold hours of manual bricksetting (haha, new word) and myriad false starts and branching paths. You inspire me with you clarity, humility, and sanity in regards to these thing.
Also, let me apologize for being somewhat of a broken record; I wasn’t the first to request variable widths for these glyphs in addition to other changes and variations. I am glad that I returned to the subject, though, as you generously imparted more of your experience creating this. The post-fontmortar-update info is especially tasty. I didn’t realize/remember that the brick limit for saving fontstructions has been upped.
An odd number of bricks for stroke width...hmm, that makes sense, I suppose, considering the central inline itself is one brick thick. Since every continuous black or white outline of the same thickness will add two more bricks to this (one on each side of the original), we get a 2n+1 stroke thickness counted in bricks, where n is equal to the number of consecutive outlines.
I am quite positive guessing that you neither built these glyphs from the inside out, nor the outside in. So fascinating that the ‘rules’ behind this design are quite simple, but the process of translating the rules to the fontstructor’s grid is quite difficult. From your dafont.com stats, it seems that tens of thousands of folks have appreciated this stunning design by downloading it. Really, though, it takes dedicated and experienced fsers to appreciate the sweat and tears you put into it.
Cheers!
I just found out that Bevel’sAdvocateMono has an unexpected and cool, sub-pixel AA busting output at 8 pt ::))
@aphoria: Thanks for the tip about the full-screen mode + keyboard shortcuts! I use both Firefox and Internet Explorer because some FontStruct functions work better for me in the former, while others seem to go more smoothly with the latter. I'll definitely give your clever method a try!
@Will: I'm completely overwhelmed by your keen interest in my font, as well as your insightful remarks about the process of constructing it!
As for the number of bricks per stroke, I was surprised to realize that it didn't matter whether the central line of each character was black or white. Either way, an odd number of bricks was necessary to close all the borders, so to speak.
I actually did build these glyphs from the outside in. Yet I freely confess that the beveled illusion was a happy accident that simply appeared as I constructed the diagonal corners. (Obviously, the font's name popped into my head afterwards.) And the shapes within shapes within shapes were not part of my original vision. That aspect began to develop almost before I noticed what was happening!
I really appreciate your sub-pixel renderings; however, I prefer the largest possible point size when I use this font to make greeting cards for friends and family.
By the way, though I've used your brilliant brickstacking technique a few times, I'm sure you're aware that this font didn't need it. But I still wonder how you managed to discover that method in the first place! You're truly amazing!
@Will: I'm completely overwhelmed by your keen interest in my font, as well as your insightful remarks about the process of constructing it!
As for the number of bricks per stroke, I was surprised to realize that it didn't matter whether the central line of each character was black or white. Either way, an odd number of bricks was necessary to close all the borders, so to speak.
I actually did build these glyphs from the outside in. Yet I freely confess that the beveled illusion was a happy accident that simply appeared as I constructed the diagonal corners. (Obviously, the font's name popped into my head afterwards.) And the shapes within shapes within shapes were not part of my original vision. That aspect began to develop almost before I noticed what was happening!
I really appreciate your sub-pixel renderings; however, I prefer the largest possible point size when I use this font to make greeting cards for friends and family.
By the way, though I've used your brilliant brickstacking technique a few times, I'm sure you're aware that this font didn't need it. But I still wonder how you managed to discover that method in the first place! You're truly amazing!
Hi, again :)
So you did build these characters from the inside out? I thought you might have built a few glyphs that way. Once you constructed the essential corner and intersection details, though, I thought for sure you would make maximum use of the copy/paste to build out the character set.
Visualizing the negative space surrounding the final outline with just the innermost inline to go on would be quite a challenge! Also, each “outline” is not necessarily a direct result of the prior one. Sometimes they introduce new details in order to form the character’s final silhouette. How much trial and error did this involve?
It’s probably an impossible question to answer. I know from my own experience how errors and challenges and solutions that don’t quite fit can all lead to the very innovations that go on to define a work. The final result may not look a lot like the initial sketch, the path to it may not be linear or sequential, and the inspiration may arrive before it was consciously sought!
In the finished fontstruction, many of these complex and perfectly resolved corners and intersections are repeated as if they were modules themselves. I imagine this way of breaking down (or building up) complex schemes into (or from) fewer elements is a big motivation to fontstructors who keep requesting a brick grouping function or the ability to define custom bricks.
Thanks for appreciating the blown-up sub-pixel samples. I like to see how fontstructions perform at various sizes and was a bit surprised to see how well this giant scales down. The proportions of each character turn out to be solid set both large and small.
But that quantized rainbow artifact in the AA was delightfully unexpected and exactly the sort of random awesomeness that inspires me to keep searching it out.
@Will: My turn to apologize! Looks like we misunderstood each other, so I'll try to clarify.
I said that the glyphs were built from the outside in, but that's not entirely accurate. Most of the A began with just the outline. I added some vertical and horizontal stripes, until I reached the top-left corner, where the diagonals started taking shape. That's when I first saw the beveled illusion. At this point, I went back to the bottom-left and realized that the connecting horizontal lines should become shorter as they moved up the leg, thus creating a maze-like pattern of concentric shapes. Once that feature was established, it became a little easier to complete the first glyph, although the work was quite slow and tedious due to the large size of the grid.
Of course you're correct that subsequent characters were made using as much copy-and-paste as possible. The first diagonals that weren't pitched at 45 degrees took a lot of time and more patience than I usually possess. But as I proceeded, I was able to replicate more parts of each new glyph.
And you're also right that some glyphs don't appear to have been built in a simply concentric fashion. There were many false starts until I figured out how to deal with intersections that were merely 90-degree turns. But some of the most challenging issues were the angled connections of K, M, N, Q, R, V, and W, for example. Smoothing out the middle of both X and 8 offered other problems that I had not anticipated. And 5, 6, and 9 required constant reworking where the central diagonal meets a vertical section.
But the most difficult glyph of all was the *. Risking triteness, I have to say that the aggravation paid off, because it's my favorite character by far!
One thing that baffles me is that many FSers release fonts they've never downloaded. I'm not talking about fonts that were impossibly large. I guess I'm too obsessive, especially with monospacing, but I had to test this font many times before I was comfortable enough to share it.
You said, "The final result may not look a lot like the initial sketch...." Perhaps you've arrived at the heart of my FontStructing difficulties. I'm not an artist, and I've never made a preliminary drawing of any glyph before diving into the dangerous waters of the FontStructor! :>)
Eight symbols were added today:
{ } _ ^ ~ `
And six glyphs were tweaked:
( ) [ ] | $
If you'd like to download the new version of Bevel'sAdvocateMono, I apologize for the inconvenience.
Downloads are not picking up the changes that were supposedly saved today, so I have temporarily "unshared" this font until the problem can be fixed.
The downloading process seems to be working now. The new { } _ ^ ~ and `, plus the revised ( ) [ ] | and $ are present in the updated file.
18 new symbols were added today, including the Euro, Pound, and Yen signs. A few other glyphs were refined as well.
This font remains a joy to behold.
@thalamic: Thank you again for all your favorable comments, Ata! :)
May I echo thalamic's sentiment entirely. When I saw that you had updated this wonderful design I just had to have another look. The Euro sign alone made that worthwhile :)
@p2pnut: And thanks once more to you, Ray! But I'm a bit confused. Isn't the Pound symbol more useful to you than the Euro sign? :)
I'm humbled by praise from such supremely talented FontStructors as you, thalamic, and many others!
Cheers!
It's a complete statement. Bevel's Advocate Mono (BAM) had me [at] @. ;-) A praise for the stylish @.
@thalamic: I had a feeling that's what you meant, but I wasn't sure. Never assume, you know?
I do use the £ sign (on the rare occasions when I have some money). The Euro was just such a delight to look at (in anyone's money)
@p2pnut: I'm happy you found my Euro symbol pleasing. I spent a lot of time figuring out how to cram it into the fixed-width area, but that was also true of the Pound sign. Obviously, some glyphs will be easier than others.
Incidentally, I've been preparing a new version of this font that is not monospaced. This was suggested originally by djnippa and more recently by Will. I hope you'll like it!
Looking forward to seeing the new version. I imagine the new goodies in FS 2.0 should make things a wee bit easier than when you executed this.
@p2pnut: Though I'm usually eager to try new FS features, this font and its forthcoming proportional sibling will remain defiantly Old School. In fact, I didn't use any brickstacking, old or new, because the specific connections within each glyph simply don't allow it. And there are no fancy filter settings either. Other future fonts may be a different matter.
Total dafont.com downloads of Bevel'sAdvocateMono passed 50,000 yesterday! Hard to believe, isn't it? :)
And NovaMono has been downloaded more than 11,000 times at dafont.
Wow! That's some serious downloading. Shows just how good your designs are.
@p2pnut: At first, I was reluctant to blow my own horn, again. But you've posted some of your work at dafont.com, so you're aware that their stats are available only to each font's author.
I always appreciate your generous comments, Ray!
Today I added 7 new characters to my favorite font.
Several new glyphs have been added to this font. In addition, I've made significant improvements to X, x, Z, z, and 2.
Every addition is just another gem to adorn this crown of a font.
@p2pnut: You've created so many exquisite fonts, Ray! And that's precisely why I'm grateful that you continue to give this one such an enthusiastic reception. Cheers!
Six additional characters have now been incorporated into this font.
A few more miscellaneous glyphs were created today.
More than two dozen lowercase characters with diacritics were added to this font today.
Wow it makes my eyes go funny. But it's great.
@authorgirl: Thanks for your favorable comment! I'm glad you like my font.
Several more glyphs were designed today.
More characters have been added recently.
you're kicking butt with this one over at dafont. i imagine that soon enough madison ave. will be #2 most download fontstruction. if you keep up these numbers, you will conquer :)
@ funk_king: Thanks for noticing; however, I believe madison ave. will be able to maintain its high ranking indefinitely! :)
Bevel advocate mono.... very Nice font Fontcollector.
what's amazing is every size have is own personnality and appearance, that is very interessting
I love IT
@Upixel: Thanks for your kind remarks!
Incidentally, I've been watching your development as a FontStruct designer, and I should have sent my compliments to you before now.
D'ont worry about it, I'm in the same situation, there is a lot font designer witch I like their work but have left a small comment yet
btw Félicitions! for busting the 50000 DL on dafont :)
@Upixel: Thank you again!
About two dozen uppercase glyphs with diacritics were added today.
Some posters in the streets of Rome caught my eye. If I have a chance I will take some pictures; for the moment here it is the logo from the Web site. Congratulations, it is always nice to see fontstructions in action!
@Em42: Thank you so much for spotting this and letting me know! I'm extremely flattered that the museum liked my Bevel'sAdvocateMono font; however, I've asked them for a donation to cover its use in their commercial project. We'll see what happens.
Thanks again!
It's rewarding to see your work in action ... let's hope that you are rewarded in a more tangible way as well :)
@p2pnut: Ray, thanks as always for your typically generous remarks! As soon as Em42 sent me the image of the poster, I told a friend that I'd surely hear from you as well.
Today, a representative of the museum responded that they're closed for the summer holiday. In the meantime, she's forwarding my request to the correct department. If anything happens, I'll let you know. Cheers! :)
Congratulations on the font in use. Looks fantastic.
@ afrojet: Your opinion means a lot to me, aj, so I really appreciate your comment!
cool cool cool cool cool ! ! !
@Tylo: Thank you! I'm pleased that you like my font. :)
Seven new glyphs with diacritics were created today.
@Em42: I have received a reply from the graphic designer of the "Roma in Scena" poster. Her firm is making a generous donation to me for the commercial use of Bevel'sAdvocateMono. And they plan to use my font in their next campaign as well! So thank you again for showing me the poster. Without you, I would never have known about it!
@p2pnut: Apparently your life outside of FontStruct has kept you busy lately, and I'm surely not the only one who misses your beautiful work and warm comments to others. But I hope you see my message to Em42, since it pertains to the "tangible reward" you mentioned!
Awsome it looks like mexcellent or México 86 design :D
@ Macheratus: Thanks for your comment.
hello fontcollector ! I'm french so sorry for my english. I'm not a specialist in graphism but I really like your font bevel's advocatemono ! I'm a singer and searching for one font for my website... I would like to use it but I would like to have your authorisation ... thank you in advance for your answer
@victorialys: I'm very flattered that you want to use my Bevel'sAdvocateMono font for your web site. I have a few questions for you, so I'm going to send you a private message.
Hi fontcollector..I wish use your font in a wilogo contest..how do you work with the commercial licence?...how much could cost this??...thanks!!....
@pepecleto: I'm going to send you a private message about purchasing a commercial license for the use of my Bevel'sAdvocateMono font. And thanks for your interest!
Thanks a lot! This design is what I just needed.
@Anne Natalie: I'm happy that you like my font! Please take a look at the private message I'm sending you here on FontStruct.